againsttheantichrist wrote:

olias wrote:

wizardovmetal wrote:

olias wrote:

r I don't believe in the rapture or predestination.

the rapture is never going to happen because all of the verse hinting at it have come to pass for the most part, secondly, do you mind explaining what you mean by predestination?

It's a big thing with Calvinists.

You'd be surprised a lot of non-Calvinists believe it, because it falls right in line with an attribute of God called omniscience. I'll define both.

Omniscience: The belief that God is all-knowing.
Predestination: The belief that God knows who is going to Heaven or Hell.

But then how does one reconcile Romans 9 and Romans 1 where it basically said that man chose sin and God gave them up to Sin (Romans 1:26-32).

How does one reconcile "Free Will" and "Predistination"? I personally think both are a lousy attempt to try and figure out how God works and thinks.

Oi! Make a thread, dont derail this one.

Averzaath wrote:

Give me a reason to believe.

You believe in Him and you worship Him because He is worthy of belief, worthy of worship, and worthy of praise.

If you choose to believe in Him for any reason, it's all in vanity.

Most won't. They want to believe because a) they want something out of it, or b) God owes them.

Averzaath wrote:

Matt wrote:

Averzaath wrote:

Give me a reason to believe.

The only reason I could give is, because you'll receive eternal life if you accept Jesus.

That's a greedy and selfish reason.
To me, this eternal life thing actually does not sound appealing at all.

I don't think it sounds appealing either. Yet I know it's the best option.

Dude, I would want to live forever. Think about it. I would attempt to learn every language there ever was.

olias wrote:

Dude, I would want to live forever. Think about it. I would attempt to learn every language there ever was.

well you could live forever in hell.. (christiantiys view)

olias wrote:

Dude, I would want to live forever. Think about it. I would attempt to learn every language there ever was.

It sounds very boring in the long run and forever sounds pretty long

Boring>non-existence.

IMO.

i look forward to eternity, think of it this way, if god provides what he has provided to wretched sinners now, and we somewhat enjoy it, what do u think he will provide for the faithful? god is always good.

againsttheantichrist wrote:

Averzaath wrote:

Give me a reason to believe.

You believe in Him and you worship Him because He is worthy of belief, worthy of worship, and worthy of praise.

If you choose to believe in Him for any reason, it's all in vanity.

Most won't. They want to believe because a) they want something out of it, or b) God owes them.

i worship god because it is natural, he is my creator, and he is a fantastic god, how can someone who has tasted and seen the lord is good not want to worship him??????

wizardovmetal wrote:

againsttheantichrist wrote:

Averzaath wrote:

Give me a reason to believe.

You believe in Him and you worship Him because He is worthy of belief, worthy of worship, and worthy of praise.

If you choose to believe in Him for any reason, it's all in vanity.

Most won't. They want to believe because a) they want something out of it, or b) God owes them.

i worship god because it is natural, he is my creator, and he is a fantastic god, how can someone who has tasted and seen the lord is good not want to worship him??????

Because on the surface it may be about love and care, but you really look at it, it reveals the deepest selfishness and evil one can bring.

Then I have made some claims which have been ignored in my past post that I would simply bring up again.

you need to provide good evidence for this claim

wizardovmetal wrote:

you need to provide good evidence for this claim

The proof lies not in a Book or a claim or in spoken words. The proof lies within the lifestyle that said faith breeds.

I've said it before: a-okay to be a Christian and do whatever, but non-Christians must become like Christians or be damned.

Death over Life wrote:

wizardovmetal wrote:

you need to provide good evidence for this claim

The proof lies not in a Book or a claim or in spoken words. The proof lies within the lifestyle that said faith breeds.

I've said it before: a-okay to be a Christian and do whatever, but non-Christians must become like Christians or be damned.

Actually, without sounding narrow minded and *gasp* religious, but that's how it is. I know what intention by what you mean this... But theologically and Truthfully, Jesus actually said Himself, those who don't believe on Him are condemned already. Y'know, John 3:17-18. The reason why John 3:16 is so beautiful is because the rest of John 3 is full of condemnation, but God the Father send Christ the Son, because He loved us, and there may be a way so we can be saved from God's Wrath.

What makes a rose so beautiful and so treasured? The scars on your body to remind you what it took to get the rose. In the same way, the crap it took for us to be reconciled to God makes Him look awesome. That breeds true belief and true passion. If Jesus is just a dude that goes "oi, dawg, do what i say, now! n make me a sammich", then I'm not inclined to follow Him either. But that's not the Jesus, not the real one. The real Jesus goes: "aye, bro... you are dead in your sins, you do deserve death, and by all rights, I shouldn't associate myself with you, but I will because I LOVE YOU, oh, and I'll die for your screw ups. and just for the lols, I'll rise again? I mean, I need to do another trick to make people believe, right?". That's the Jesus I follow, that's the Jesus I love and the one who I am dedicated to... The real one. Not the chauvanist, not the wife beater, not the therapist. But the rock, the strength, the brute force that gives me courage.

If it were not for the legit power of Christ mate, I would be merely a clinggy ******* kid, succumbing to all sorts of fetishes, a closet homosexual dealing with sexual abuse, a racist, white supremacist neo nazi youth. Seriously man. Most people on here, I would have smacked you atleast once.

God is real bro