that's best english translation, in my opinion.. the kjv

the gutenberg is supposedly one of the best german translations and was also one of the first ever on printed pages.. (1470 a.d.) it influenced the early version sof the kjv that would come much later..

Kamerad Ash wrote:

There is nothing to attack anyone about, people. We are all just children in the grand scheme of things.. who muddle through concepts that are much bigger that we are as mortal humans.

Truth. As I continue to learn things, this only becomes even more evident.

FireProphet wrote:

Kamerad Ash wrote:

There is nothing to attack anyone about, people. We are all just children in the grand scheme of things.. who muddle through concepts that are much bigger that we are as mortal humans.

Truth. As I continue to learn things, this only becomes even more evident.

+1.
I think everyone missed the point with Ash's original post.

IronGuardian wrote:

Semantics.

Agreed. The Bible is the literal WOG and Jesus is the Embodiment of this Word called The Logos.

I can see what everyones trying to say. But is it hard to think that If God is a perfect God. That he intended for the Bible to be the way it is today. I mean, he is an Omniscient God right? that means he knows Past, Present, Future, and every hair on your head. So if he knows all these things. And he has a plan for everything. Then wouldn't that mean that the Bible is exactly the way he intended it to be? I guess its just a thing of Faith.....IMO

I strongly agree with Ash, Hguols and the other heretics.

Ethereal Messenger wrote:

I can see what everyones trying to say. But is it hard to think that If God is a perfect God. That he intended for the Bible to be the way it is today. I mean, he is an Omniscient God right? that means he knows Past, Present, Future, and every hair on your head. So if he knows all these things. And he has a plan for everything. Then wouldn't that mean that the Bible is exactly the way he intended it to be? I guess its just a thing of Faith.....IMO

That's a false dichotomy IMO. If something is twisted, that doesn't denigrate the object being twisted: it demonstrates the "twistedness" of the agent(s) doing the twisting.

I look it differently.. Etheral messenger. That God can simply use "imperfect things perfectly".

Also, our ideas are too small and fragile for a scripture that we can read at all, to be written "perfectly". If we are too be able to grasp it all, it must be written imperfectly.

Not buying that argument. Once more, the Scriptures are not made imperfect because of our own imperfection. Can you show me ONCE in Scripture where God does something that isn't perfect?

Your conufsing scripture with the Word Of God that can, for some, be found through it.

The shell is not in the substance and the substance is not in the shell.

I think I understand what your saying, It just sounds confusing reading it.....

Kamerad Ash wrote:

Your conufsing scripture with the Word Of God that can, for some, be found through it.

The shell is not in the substance and the substance is not in the shell.

You have yet to prove their is a "substance" from "shell" dichotomy.

Really?

if I write-- SKY. <------ is that what SKY is? Or is Sky something else that the word is used as a symbol for?

I'm sure you know the answer.

In the same sense is Scripture not the Word of God, but you can get to the Word through it.

did God direct the writing of scripture? Of Course! Are the words of Scripture the same as The Word, which is God..? No, of course, not.

If you cared to read my earlier post, I described how BOTH scenarios are accurate. Jesus is the embodiment of the Word of God (aka The Logos), and there is a literal WOG (that is, His word). You're serving up an unhealthy false dichotomy with your "either-or" scenario.

Gotta agree with GUP. You're mixing categories and terms here, Ash. The Bible is the "Word of God" as in it is God's revelation of himself to us. As for the Word (logos) being God (per the intro of John's gospel account) it's a different concept. Almost like confusing the terms "weigh" and "way" because they sound similar - they're talking about different things.

Kamerad Ash wrote:

Did you know this?

The Word of God.. according to the scriptures which make up the Bible.. is a person.. also known as God.. which exists and existed before all things.

The Word of God can be found through Scripture.. but it is not Scripture itself. The Bible is the physical imperfect thing that has been translated from imperfect men's scriptures.. who wrote it inspired and even directed by the perfect Word of God.. whom is of course.. perfect God.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

Anyone disagree?

referring to this verse, christ was the word. the bible is as well.

GraceUnderPressure wrote:

If you cared to read my earlier post, I described how BOTH scenarios are accurate. Jesus is the embodiment of the Word of God (aka The Logos), and there is a literal WOG (that is, His word). You're serving up an unhealthy false dichotomy with your "either-or" scenario.

I disagree.

Using the greek word Logos to try and make your argument sound heavier.. doesn't change anything.

What I am saying is still true. Scripture says nothing of Scripture Being the " Word. "

the Same Word who created that heavens and the earth.

This "Logos" is a Spiritual Logos.. Just as I am pointing out that Physical Words can be used to find Nonphysical places and Ideas.. that lead to Places. Such is scripture.

The words that lead to the "Logos" are scripture. The Logo itself is what the words lead to.

The Words cannot be "the Word, who is God".. for that would be God throwing pearls before swine. The "World" does not know him and as such. scripture can be used to reach the Word by only those he first called. Also, that would make The Bible more holy that it should be. While it is indeed Holy ( set apart for God ).. it is not as Sacred and Holy as the Word Himself. IT could not be.. or none of could read it without falling to the ground as if dead.


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