Number of posts : 5020 Age : 30 Location : Indiana Registration date : 2009-01-31 Points : 10951
Subject: Christians and Jews Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:58 pm
I have a question, when discussing with a Jew, how do we prove that we are right. How do we know Jesus is the Son of God and not just a prophet like the Jews say? I know fulfilled prophecy has alot to do with it
wizardovmetal
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Subject: Re: Christians and Jews Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:21 pm
read all the prophecies about christ in the OT, then read the NT and show how he fullfiled them. explain to them about the end of the age christ talked about and how it was fullfiled before 70ad LV is a good one to ask on prophecie.
metalgrinch
Number of posts : 484 Age : 43 Location : Long Island, New York Registration date : 2009-07-27 Points : 6177
Subject: Re: Christians and Jews Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:34 pm
Don't bother. They're a stiff-necked people. We are right, they are wrong, but in this life they get all the respect and admiration, but God will save them anyway because He chose them first, hence it's almost like it doesn't matter at all that we actually believe in His Son.
Garrison4JC
Number of posts : 413 Age : 51 Location : California Registration date : 2009-11-30 Points : 5999
Subject: Re: Christians and Jews Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:14 pm
I have a friend that is involved with the Jews For Jesus Ministry here locally and he recommended sending you the website link. He is a VERY wise person (much more than myself, in my opinion).
I checked the website out and there is a TON of information there that you might find useful.
MetalMatt
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Subject: Re: Christians and Jews Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:25 pm
I've heard of that ministry. I'll check it out
olias
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Subject: Re: Christians and Jews Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:21 am
Dem damn joooz!!!
Dey terk rrrr jobbbbssss!!!!
MetalMatt
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Subject: Re: Christians and Jews Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:21 pm
A little off topic, but I am currently reading a book called "Our Hands are Stained with Blood" It's about the history of the persecution of Jews within the christian church. It's pretty sad that that is in our history.
vaterflaumig
Number of posts : 249 Age : 34 Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 5915
Subject: Re: Christians and Jews Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:57 pm
olias wrote:
Dem damn joooz!!!
Dey terk rrrr jobbbbssss!!!!
TERK RRR DERRBS!!!
wizardovmetal
Number of posts : 1056 Age : 33 Location : COLD Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 6854
Subject: Re: Christians and Jews Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:27 pm
metalgrinch wrote:
Don't bother. They're a stiff-necked people. We are right, they are wrong, but in this life they get all the respect and admiration, but God will save them anyway because He chose them first, hence it's almost like it doesn't matter at all that we actually believe in His Son.
this is the stupidest thing i have ever heard
LadyRocker
Number of posts : 19 Age : 53 Location : People's Republic of California Registration date : 2009-02-12 Points : 5836
I actually have had Moishe Rosen from Jews for Jesus come to visit me because I made quite an impact on Paltalk years ago. He still has me on his Facebook. Good promotion, too. I'm glad to have known several people involved within the Jews for Jesus ministry.
What I'm often doing is discussing Passover. This is a great topic if you want to really get a common ground with Jewish people. They respect the Passover, so there's a way to discuss it, AND bring in the topic of Messiah, because they are all interrelated.
Hero
Number of posts : 798 Age : 34 Location : Montreal Registration date : 2009-04-06 Points : 6645
Don't bother. They're a stiff-necked people. We are right, they are wrong, but in this life they get all the respect and admiration, but God will save them anyway because He chose them first, hence it's almost like it doesn't matter at all that we actually believe in His Son.
this is the stupidest thing i have ever heard
seriously...
wizardovmetal
Number of posts : 1056 Age : 33 Location : COLD Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 6854
Subject: Re: Christians and Jews Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:07 am
well actually its along the same lines as "god will only save those he elects, the rest go to hell" BS that if im not mistaken "calvinists" try to claim. i swear people, read your bible again.
Death over Life
Number of posts : 632 Age : 35 Location : The Inner Sanctum known as my Insanity and Damnation Registration date : 2008-11-02 Points : 6513
Subject: Re: Christians and Jews Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:09 am
wizardovmetal wrote:
well actually its along the same lines as "god will only save those he elects, the rest go to hell" BS that if im not mistaken "calvinists" try to claim. i swear people, read your bible again.
I will only agree with this statement if when re-reading the Bible, the pre-indoctrinated beliefs are thrown to the trash. Only then I will agree, because if not, then once again, people will only read the Bible for what they have it say other than what it actually says. That isn't saying I agree or disagree with the belief wizard challenged on calvinism, but only speaking on the 2nd sentence.
lord voldemort
Number of posts : 550 Age : 45 Location : Toccoa, GA Registration date : 2009-11-07 Points : 6144
Subject: Re: Christians and Jews Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:53 pm
metalgrinch wrote:
Don't bother. They're a stiff-necked people. We are right, they are wrong, but in this life they get all the respect and admiration, but God will save them anyway because He chose them first, hence it's almost like it doesn't matter at all that we actually believe in His Son.
That is a very wrong approach to the Jewish people.
The gospel is a stumbling block to them, because they have been told that being Jewish equals "being saved", that same attitude is within many Christian Churches. My parents are saved, I am saved God will bless me.
Paul states that the "Children of Abraham" are those who truly believe by faith, as he did. Only then does one become the "Israel of God".
The bible makes clear that Jews will be saved before Christ comes and when Christ comes.
We are to witness to the Jews when we can, I know a few who are Christian, running into a few of them on the forums.
So if you do not mind, think before you speak on this subject
MetalMatt
Number of posts : 5020 Age : 30 Location : Indiana Registration date : 2009-01-31 Points : 10951
Subject: Re: Christians and Jews Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:56 pm
lord voldemort wrote:
metalgrinch wrote:
Don't bother. They're a stiff-necked people. We are right, they are wrong, but in this life they get all the respect and admiration, but God will save them anyway because He chose them first, hence it's almost like it doesn't matter at all that we actually believe in His Son.
That is a very wrong approach to the Jewish people.
The gospel is a stumbling block to them, because they have been told that being Jewish equals "being saved", that same attitude is within many Christian Churches. My parents are saved, I am saved God will bless me.
Paul states that the "Children of Abraham" are those who truly believe by faith, as he did. Only then does one become the "Israel of God".
The bible makes clear that Jews will be saved before Christ comes and when Christ comes.
We are to witness to the Jews when we can, I know a few who are Christian, running into a few of them on the forums.
So if you do not mind, think before you speak on this subject
The bible also refers to 144,000 Jews who will be saved during the tribulation (the elect in Matthew 24)
Death over Life
Number of posts : 632 Age : 35 Location : The Inner Sanctum known as my Insanity and Damnation Registration date : 2008-11-02 Points : 6513
Subject: Re: Christians and Jews Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:06 am
MetLHed4GZus wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:
metalgrinch wrote:
Don't bother. They're a stiff-necked people. We are right, they are wrong, but in this life they get all the respect and admiration, but God will save them anyway because He chose them first, hence it's almost like it doesn't matter at all that we actually believe in His Son.
That is a very wrong approach to the Jewish people.
The gospel is a stumbling block to them, because they have been told that being Jewish equals "being saved", that same attitude is within many Christian Churches. My parents are saved, I am saved God will bless me.
Paul states that the "Children of Abraham" are those who truly believe by faith, as he did. Only then does one become the "Israel of God".
The bible makes clear that Jews will be saved before Christ comes and when Christ comes.
We are to witness to the Jews when we can, I know a few who are Christian, running into a few of them on the forums.
So if you do not mind, think before you speak on this subject
The bible also refers to 144,000 Jews who will be saved during the tribulation (the elect in Matthew 24)
Lord Voldemort actually gave me a pm about that very same subject. If Voldemort want's it up on here, then I'll let Him post it. As for what you are saying, it depends on what you mean when you say tribulation and the elect in Matthew 24. I personally hope you aren't referring to "rapture" and "7 year tribulation".