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vaterflaumig
Number of posts : 249 Age : 34 Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 5712
| Subject: The eating of blood Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:38 am | |
| What does BB think eating blood in steaks, or sausage, or anything of the sort. It is a rather controversial topic. What do all of you think? |
| | | Mark
Number of posts : 705 Age : 28 Location : Ohio Registration date : 2008-11-09 Points : 6475
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:42 am | |
| Juicy steaks... |
| | | MetalMatt
Number of posts : 5020 Age : 30 Location : Indiana Registration date : 2009-01-31 Points : 10748
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:47 am | |
| - Mark wrote:
- Juicy steaks...
QFT I never heard of eating blood being controversial? god gave us the ok to eat meat after noah got off the ark |
| | | Hguols
Number of posts : 2103 Age : 43 Location : Irving, Illinois Registration date : 2009-09-09 Points : 7689
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:16 pm | |
| I don't understand the controversy.
I've seen some people jump to certain verses in Leviticus when it comes to eating bloodied meat, and also the tattoo topic. Those people seem to skim over the part forbidding shaving and using calenders, but when the big picture is looked at its a good history lesson. A few verses at a time, it might as well be a lie.
I'm glad I understand why God didn't want those people to do those things at that time.
This is how I want my steak prepared. 30 seconds over a flame on one side, 30 seconds on the other side, DONE. ^_^ Even a medium steak is about ruined in my book!
There's no significance to me, good or bad, with blood whether we drink it directly or some of it is in our food. |
| | | The Last Firstborn
Number of posts : 2576 Age : 31 Registration date : 2009-04-07 Points : 8769
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:17 pm | |
| Uhhh, I'm a vegetarian, so this is a non-issue for me, lol. |
| | | IronGuardian
Number of posts : 2271 Age : 35 Location : Perth, Western Australia Registration date : 2008-11-03 Points : 8155
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:16 pm | |
| The difference between blood and shaving, is that blood repetitively comes up over and over again in the Bible as something sacred.
While I see nothing wrong with a little blood still in the steak, I would not drink a goblet of real blood. |
| | | TheBeastSlayer
Number of posts : 2165 Age : 32 Location : Kingdom of God,State Of Delusion, USA Registration date : 2009-03-26 Points : 8116
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:50 pm | |
| - LastFirstborn wrote:
- Uhhh, I'm a vegetarian, so this is a non-issue for me, lol.
Thats why Boxxy dont like you. MEAT FTW!!!! I LOVE MEAT! MEATMEATMEATMEATMEATMEATMEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Coincidentally, I like all my stuff burnt... |
| | | Kamerad Ash
Number of posts : 2273 Age : 45 Location : Hell Registration date : 2008-12-12 Points : 8399
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:34 am | |
| Bloody meat is almost always a bad idea.. if your eating it from a sickly and or diseased animal. The blood contains all of the proteins, toxic compounds, hormones and other such material... depending on the state of the animal.
So, once again.. we see instructions in the Bible are scientifically accurate way before we ever had the science we had today.
(That is also why alot of Native tribes form all over the world consume animal blood.. ironically.. "to Attain that animals traits in some fashion" )
So , unless your eating a bloody steak from an extremely virile and healthy animal.. slaughtered in it's prime.. I would stay far away from Bloody meat.. but that's just me.
I eat very little meat.. and get plenty of protein. Meat is often a disease promoting food, it's just that simple. |
| | | NorthernAsh
Number of posts : 853 Age : 52 Location : CYCLOTRODE, MN. Registration date : 2008-12-13 Points : 6474
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:03 am | |
| - vaterflaumig wrote:
- What does BB think eating blood in steaks, or sausage, or anything of the sort. It is a rather controversial topic. What do all of you think?
since blood contains the bacteria and disease in all living creatures, it's just plain foolish to not soak it out/let it drain beforehand or salt it out like the Kosher slaughterhouses do in order to get every last drop of blood out of the meat. But, when you eat anything that comes from a pig, you're taking your life into your own hands no matter how it was raised or slaughtered. |
| | | 325ad
Number of posts : 967 Age : 54 Location : Native America Registration date : 2008-11-07 Points : 6920
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:46 am | |
| I like my red meat Medium, if it is too bloody I sent it back to be cooked some more. |
| | | vaterflaumig
Number of posts : 249 Age : 34 Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 5712
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:47 pm | |
| This was supposed to be a theological debate, not so much "how do you like your meat". I ask this because I work at a restaurant and I get a rather discomforting feeling when I prepare it for people since I am not sure if it would be allowed within christianity. |
| | | Death over Life
Number of posts : 632 Age : 34 Location : The Inner Sanctum known as my Insanity and Damnation Registration date : 2008-11-02 Points : 6310
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:56 pm | |
| - vaterflaumig wrote:
- This was supposed to be a theological debate, not so much "how do you like your meat". I ask this because I work at a restaurant and I get a rather discomforting feeling when I prepare it for people since I am not sure if it would be allowed within christianity.
Why exactly would a bloodied steak be anti-Christian? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Why there is no debating, at least on my behalf, your post is the very 1st time I've ever heard of consuming bloodied steaks to be a sin. The place I went to was more conservative, but even they made no mention of steaks with blood being a sin to consume. Also, 1 Corinthians 8 among others speak about food as examples that one feels it is a sin to eat meat, and others are okay with it. With this in mind, what you see as sin, is only a personal thing, not an absolute, so where you think it is wrong, many others, including myself, do not see it as a sin. For me, I'm very much like a vampire when it comes to my steaks. Shoot, although I haven't, I can probably eat a raw steak. Other than that, my steaks need to be at least medium rare. The more rare and juicy, the better! |
| | | vaterflaumig
Number of posts : 249 Age : 34 Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 5712
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:37 am | |
| - Death over Life wrote:
- vaterflaumig wrote:
- This was supposed to be a theological debate, not so much "how do you like your meat". I ask this because I work at a restaurant and I get a rather discomforting feeling when I prepare it for people since I am not sure if it would be allowed within christianity.
Why exactly would a bloodied steak be anti-Christian? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Why there is no debating, at least on my behalf, your post is the very 1st time I've ever heard of consuming bloodied steaks to be a sin. The place I went to was more conservative, but even they made no mention of steaks with blood being a sin to consume.
Also, 1 Corinthians 8 among others speak about food as examples that one feels it is a sin to eat meat, and others are okay with it. With this in mind, what you see as sin, is only a personal thing, not an absolute, so where you think it is wrong, many others, including myself, do not see it as a sin.
For me, I'm very much like a vampire when it comes to my steaks. Shoot, although I haven't, I can probably eat a raw steak. Other than that, my steaks need to be at least medium rare. The more rare and juicy, the better! But what about Acts 15:29? |
| | | olias
Number of posts : 2399 Age : 33 Location : USA Registration date : 2009-07-10 Points : 8137
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:35 pm | |
| i think its referring to like, Goblets of blood. |
| | | graybeardheadbanger
Number of posts : 167 Age : 57 Registration date : 2009-07-26 Points : 5567
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:09 pm | |
| - vaterflaumig wrote:
- Death over Life wrote:
- vaterflaumig wrote:
- This was supposed to be a theological debate, not so much "how do you like your meat". I ask this because I work at a restaurant and I get a rather discomforting feeling when I prepare it for people since I am not sure if it would be allowed within christianity.
Why exactly would a bloodied steak be anti-Christian? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Why there is no debating, at least on my behalf, your post is the very 1st time I've ever heard of consuming bloodied steaks to be a sin. The place I went to was more conservative, but even they made no mention of steaks with blood being a sin to consume.
Also, 1 Corinthians 8 among others speak about food as examples that one feels it is a sin to eat meat, and others are okay with it. With this in mind, what you see as sin, is only a personal thing, not an absolute, so where you think it is wrong, many others, including myself, do not see it as a sin.
For me, I'm very much like a vampire when it comes to my steaks. Shoot, although I haven't, I can probably eat a raw steak. Other than that, my steaks need to be at least medium rare. The more rare and juicy, the better!
But what about Acts 15:29? I was surprised it took everyone so long to make the Acts connection. Anwyay, I believe elsewhere the prohibitiono on eating strangled meat is also retained. I consider this an interesting question myself--as a Catholic, I've sought some specific answers on it, but haven't really found any. I am hesitant to conclude that it can be lumped in with doing away of other kosher laws, as obviously those are specifically mentioned as not applicable in the NT, while this prohibition is reiterated in the NT. Indeed, I have encountered Portestant scholars who try to use this as "proofZ" agians tthe ancient Christian teaching of the "real presence" i nthe Eucharist (though I find this to be a selective interpretation myself--one could just asd easily argued that blood is not to be consumed precisely because the blood of Christ is the only blood we are to consume, etc. Of course, the same would not hold true of flesh--my point simply is, one cannot jump to this as evidence against transubstantiation, when one looks at the bulk of Scripture and early Christian tradition considered as a whole). Anywaym, 'strangled' meat prohibitions, I suppose, could have to do with humane treatment of animals. This is interesting to consider. But the prohibition of blood seems a little more puzzling to me. I'll give it more thought and chime in again if I discover anything. graybeardheadbanger |
| | | vaterflaumig
Number of posts : 249 Age : 34 Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 5712
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:23 pm | |
| - graybeardheadbanger wrote:
- vaterflaumig wrote:
- Death over Life wrote:
- vaterflaumig wrote:
- This was supposed to be a theological debate, not so much "how do you like your meat". I ask this because I work at a restaurant and I get a rather discomforting feeling when I prepare it for people since I am not sure if it would be allowed within christianity.
Why exactly would a bloodied steak be anti-Christian? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Why there is no debating, at least on my behalf, your post is the very 1st time I've ever heard of consuming bloodied steaks to be a sin. The place I went to was more conservative, but even they made no mention of steaks with blood being a sin to consume.
Also, 1 Corinthians 8 among others speak about food as examples that one feels it is a sin to eat meat, and others are okay with it. With this in mind, what you see as sin, is only a personal thing, not an absolute, so where you think it is wrong, many others, including myself, do not see it as a sin.
For me, I'm very much like a vampire when it comes to my steaks. Shoot, although I haven't, I can probably eat a raw steak. Other than that, my steaks need to be at least medium rare. The more rare and juicy, the better! Thank you I will wait for your reply sir.
But what about Acts 15:29? I was surprised it took everyone so long to make the Acts connection. Anwyay, I believe elsewhere the prohibitiono on eating strangled meat is also retained. I consider this an interesting question myself--as a Catholic, I've sought some specific answers on it, but haven't really found any. I am hesitant to conclude that it can be lumped in with doing away of other kosher laws, as obviously those are specifically mentioned as not applicable in the NT, while this prohibition is reiterated in the NT. Indeed, I have encountered Portestant scholars who try to use this as "proofZ" agians tthe ancient Christian teaching of the "real presence" i nthe Eucharist (though I find this to be a selective interpretation myself--one could just asd easily argued that blood is not to be consumed precisely because the blood of Christ is the only blood we are to consume, etc. Of course, the same would not hold true of flesh--my point simply is, one cannot jump to this as evidence against transubstantiation, when one looks at the bulk of Scripture and early Christian tradition considered as a whole).
Anywaym, 'strangled' meat prohibitions, I suppose, could have to do with humane treatment of animals. This is interesting to consider. But the prohibition of blood seems a little more puzzling to me. I'll give it more thought and chime in again if I discover anything.
graybeardheadbanger |
| | | Death over Life
Number of posts : 632 Age : 34 Location : The Inner Sanctum known as my Insanity and Damnation Registration date : 2008-11-02 Points : 6310
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:24 pm | |
| One of my problems with the enterpretations is the fact that Acts says that about blood, and meat sacrificed to idols, then you turn to the Book of Romans and 1 Corinthians, and Paul goes and notes, no, they are not sin except for those who view this as sin. So, Paul did say this is okay to eat if you don't view it as immoraly wrong. So, it would seem Paul changed the views of eating meat sacrificed to idols. Now concerning the blood part, although Paul mainly spoke of meat sacrificed to idols, he did clump the rest of the stuff in there in addition. Romans I think even went on to the vegetarian vs. eating meat, and he said neither are wrong as it is a personal thing, just as long as you don't condemn the other for their decision, and you don't force your views down the throat of the other.
Even then, Jesus words in Matthew also play a part in this since his parable also had to do with eating. What you put in goes out the waste basket, while what comes from you is from your heart, so it is what comes out of you (not the waste basket part) that will condemn you if you sin. So with Jesus' parable me eating bloodied meat is okay since it goes out the waste basket. But if I were to have the heart of brutally destroying an animal for it's blood and meat with no regards to the animal, then that would be wrong. Also, I don't specifically see (from what I've read which isn't really much) any condemnation of cannibalism specifically. So, I still view it as okay to eat bloodied meat, but I think the abstaining of blood is like goblets of blood for rituals/sacrifices and all that.
By the end of the night though, we have a couple verses that condemn blood, but another couple chapters that okays it if you are okay with it.
Off topic: Since today is Christmas, I have to ask. Why do we call our Messiah Jesus Christ when we already know His real name is Yeshua? If we know, why do we keep on calling him Jesus despite the fact? |
| | | olias
Number of posts : 2399 Age : 33 Location : USA Registration date : 2009-07-10 Points : 8137
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:36 pm | |
| - Death over Life wrote:
Off topic: Since today is Christmas, I have to ask. Why do we call our Messiah Jesus Christ when we already know His real name is Yeshua? If we know, why do we keep on calling him Jesus despite the fact? Same thing, different language. Hey, you are from Abilene Tx, do you know a Kelsey Jenkins? |
| | | CorpulentCripple
Number of posts : 421 Age : 34 Registration date : 2009-01-17 Points : 5998
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:54 pm | |
| - IronGuardian wrote:
- The difference between blood and shaving, is that blood repetitively comes up over and over again in the Bible as something sacred.
While I see nothing wrong with a little blood still in the steak, I would not drink a goblet of real blood. says the guy who made a blood milkshake with matt,...... |
| | | Death over Life
Number of posts : 632 Age : 34 Location : The Inner Sanctum known as my Insanity and Damnation Registration date : 2008-11-02 Points : 6310
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:11 pm | |
| - olias wrote:
- Death over Life wrote:
Off topic: Since today is Christmas, I have to ask. Why do we call our Messiah Jesus Christ when we already know His real name is Yeshua? If we know, why do we keep on calling him Jesus despite the fact? Same thing, different language.
Hey, you are from Abilene Tx, do you know a Kelsey Jenkins? But if so, we would be calling him Joshua, not Jesus. As for her, I have never heard that name, or if I did, I don't remember the name. My apologies. |
| | | olias
Number of posts : 2399 Age : 33 Location : USA Registration date : 2009-07-10 Points : 8137
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:22 pm | |
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| | | Exquisite Corpse
Number of posts : 119 Age : 36 Location : New England (currently) Registration date : 2009-01-28 Points : 5738
| Subject: Re: The eating of blood Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:27 pm | |
| I understand this is more of a biblical issue or not type of debate, not just "how do you like it done" discussion. But, I still won't eat bloody meat. I used to eat bloody steaks as a kid, and I've had worms inside my intestines around that time. Nuff said. |
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