First off, a little off topic - Death over Life, I really dig the avatar! That's my most anticipated album this year for sure!

Now that that's out of the way....
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I myself am more for the "live and let live" approach. This is definitely in regards to theologically opinionated headbutting, not in regards to spiritual warfare. ....but this isn't about spiritual warfare.

It appears disguised egomania to take the approach, "They don't believe *insert belief* which is what we believe, so we have to change that right now!". That is my conviction, as I've been the aggressor and taken that approach in the past.

Don't get me wrong, God's word should be spread. People should be witnessed to, and we should be great examples talking the talk and walking the walk. We should reach out as Christ would reach out his hand in regards to helping others, answering questions, and other support for those who want it.

People should not be forced or pestered to believe a certain thing, and I truly believe God wouldn't want his word used as ammo for an opinion gun. How is that really any different from the atheists/etc. that are pointing the finger and saying, "You're wrong because _________"?

"Helping" someone who doesn't want to be "helped" isn't really "helping" them at all, hence the emphasis on the underlined "want" above. Everyone needs God, salvation and all the perks of spirituality, but if they don't want it, they don't want it. If they don't want it, "fighting back" isn't going to make them want it.

...that's where the example comes in.

I spend a few years myself lost in the world, having people try to shove God down my throat, and I always gagged from the approach. It wasn't until I saw a living example, someone who was spiritual, at peace, WAS HAPPY - and I wanted what they had... that Christ was able to work in my life once again.

So what about so-n-so that thinks God is imaginary? I say, let em think that. Let em sit on their pride and think that billions of people are wrong, and they're right. God allowed, they'll come around - emphasis on the allowed. Nothing happens in God's world by mistake, and this is all part of His plan.

Besides, more than likely, a certain percentage of what they're doing is for attention. There's hardly a true kvlt atheists anymore, as very few people believe the universe is nothing but a mass of electrons, created out of nothing, meaning nothing, whirling on to a destiny of nothingness.

Hguols wrote:

First off, a little off topic - Death over Life, I really dig the avatar! That's my most anticipated album this year for sure!

Now that that's out of the way....
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Thank you! Dark Funeral is one of my alltime favorite bands even though I know many scrutinize their music. For me, AEPE and Gorgoroth's QPAST (Gorgoroth is another of my alltime favorite bands ever) are the 2 albums of the year for me. I honestly can't make a decision yet since I haven't heard Angelo Exero Pro Eternus yet, but I have checked out their My Funeral and their other song so far.

The album art is one of the best I had ever seen, hence why I had to put that as my avatar atm. I need to preorder their CD/DVD combo before they sell it out. Also, I've also been interested in making an account at Dark Funeral's message board, except for the fact that the board is so dead from a huge lack of members/participation. However, regardless, I do know Chaq Mol and Lord Ahriman post there themselves, so it would be very interesting to see what they are like as persons and not as musicians.

For Discography, the only albums I own by them atm is their live album De Profundis Clamavi Ad Te Domine and a bootleg with VON entitled Devil Pigs. From what I've heard, Thus I Have Spoken and Final Ritual are my favorite songs by them, but I'm also going to be adding My Funeral to that list in a little bit when I listen to AEPE.

Anyways, I do know that this went off topic and I look forward to knowing about the refute of the joy of satan ministries, but I am more than honored and priveledged to meet another fan of Dark Funeral, so I personally say the temporary off topic is worth it.

Also, I apologize, but my quote was the only part of what I read. I'll read the rest of the post in a few. Once again, my apologies.

Death over Life wrote:

I like this thread. Been a very very long time since I've posted here at all. Anyways, with the subject at hand, does anybody know a site that debunks this one?

www.exposingchristianity.com

which also derived from this site:

www.joyofsatan.com

I know a lot of it is bull, but I'm still interested in seeing a site that debunks it.

Thanks and much appreciated!

What's there to refute? THe author offers all kinds of assertion with no citations, referenences, etc. As far as I can tell, it buys into all kinds of post-modernistic assumptions, about "power" and tshe like. Very pointless.

graybeardheadbanger

@ joyofsatan.com

it comes down to this if satan is so powerful and witchcraft is so pwerful then why can a person through christ bind and cast out demons? i have done this myself and given many people being repeatedly attacked by them the tools thru christ to do so and they still have yet to bother from the day they were cast out theyve never returned since at the moment i am currently working with someone who is chest deep in wicca trying to free him at first he said he didnt want to be free he wanted to complete the work lucifer had asked him to do but as soon as i presented that he could be free thru the power of christ ajnd he wouldnt have to die and his soul would live forever in a world without evil (the world god will create after the destruction of this universe) he was very exited and wanted me to help him i am going at 9 am to do this for him so pray that god is with me


sorry for the rambling

I love Jesus Christ. I do NOT love or embrace Christianity.

yepimonfire wrote:

@ joyofsatan.com

it comes down to this if satan is so powerful and witchcraft is so pwerful then why can a person through christ bind and cast out demons? i have done this myself and given many people being repeatedly attacked by them the tools thru christ to do so and they still have yet to bother from the day they were cast out theyve never returned since at the moment i am currently working with someone who is chest deep in wicca trying to free him at first he said he didnt want to be free he wanted to complete the work lucifer had asked him to do but as soon as i presented that he could be free thru the power of christ ajnd he wouldnt have to die and his soul would live forever in a world without evil (the world god will create after the destruction of this universe) he was very exited and wanted me to help him i am going at 9 am to do this for him so pray that god is with me


sorry for the rambling

possession is WAYYY too subjective to be used as evidence. people have been turned to satanism, people have been turned to christianity. it goes both ways. provide real arguements.

revive of thread.... and we think there isn't darkness working overtime?

BS

Many are falling away, give the devil a small opening, anything can happen.... this is proof for Christanity to be stepping up, not holding back.

You just have to love all these ppl and pray for them... I kno its hard but we as christians need to love all ya kno... I do think its funny when ppl do post this crap on the web... its very funny to see what they have to say...

I don't know about you guys, but I have yet to see one person affiliated with any of these groups attempt to go back and look at Christianity historically. If there is any rational proof against Christianity, it will be in history.

It's not hard to convince someone that x person did not kill y person through emotional means.

It's next to impossible to convince someone that x person did not kill y person when there is rational, non-changing fact in front of you saying otherwise.

againsttheantichrist wrote:

I don't know about you guys, but I have yet to see one person affiliated with any of these groups attempt to go back and look at Christianity historically. If there is any rational proof against Christianity, it will be in history.

It's not hard to convince someone that x person did not kill y person through emotional means.

It's next to impossible to convince someone that x person did not kill y person when there is rational, non-changing fact in front of you saying otherwise.

I like this post because it is very true. However, for the Truth on Christianity, if you do look at history, you will see just how different Christianity back then was compared to today.

However, there is History that does disprove much of modern day's Christianity's approach, like what Joy of Satan has claimed, especially since there is a lot of modern day stuff that has been borrowed from many other faiths, but when you do straight up Scripture and History, they both do not contradict, but rather compliment each other overall.

Some stuff in the Bible though that today's Christianity teaches that I question are the life and death of Judas Iscariot for example, and a firestream thread I would reply to if it were here, the Holy Trinity belief. Much of what else I have questioned I have come to terms with and either agreed with the initial belief, or followed what was really said instead of a man-made belief.

If there is 1 problem that does rationally disprove Christianity via history though, it would be for 2,000 years, Christ has taught about loving your neighbors and enemies, being such a great example for us to do the same in His footsteps, and even attacked the corrupt Government and overt religious leaders. Yet, when Christ left, Christianity became a power like it's own form of overt religion and government, and in that government, has murdered/raped/and destroyed entire families, religions, and even civilizations. It has also made Christians implode on itself with descrete hate and destruction.

This doesn't necessarily prove the teachings of Christ are false, but with such a hateful/bloodthirsty history, it does make it hard to say Christianity really is a faith of True love when the teachings of Christ cause those to hate and destroy/kill when they listen to said teachings.

There is really nothing at all questionable about the Trinity if you've done a proper amount of research on it.

Sword of the Heretic wrote:

I love Jesus Christ. I do NOT love or embrace Christianity.

I don't want to get to personal here, but can you tell me why you say this?

metalmennonite wrote:

Sword of the Heretic wrote:

I love Jesus Christ. I do NOT love or embrace Christianity.

I don't want to get to personal here, but can you tell me why you say this?

I can agree with that. Christianity, while it has a lot of good things going for it, some of its downfalls are religion (which isn't necessary), personalities before principles (which tend to clash) and traditions (which aren't necessary, nor make much sense). Unfortunately, I've experienced more painful lessons within Christianity than I've experienced good examples - probably because the average Christian has less tact and a poorer approach than the average homeless person.

....but I'm stereotyping. Of course there are exceptions, and those winners I'll stick with. The rest I won't claim.

Religion and "being right" aside, I think its rather rewarding to have a personal relationship with the God Trinity, a Higher Power who doesn't play hard to get and who wants to be known more for His love than doctrine.

lol if christianity wasnt a somewhat organized religion then i guarantee almost none of you would have even heard of it...