A great interview with Patrick Heron/ He will blow you away..

PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT ON WITHOUT LISTENING TO FIRST (a-humm Lord Voldemort )

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I'm nine minutes into the video and I've already ordered his book "Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse". This is the first book I have ever ordered for myself, much less voluntarily read. (I normally just read online). I'm going to continue listening to this interview, but plan on reading the book the second it comes in. I can't wait!

Thanks, Ash.


EDIT: I just watched all two hours of the video, enthralled from start to finish. I even skipped lunch to finish watching it. Lord Voldemort, if you're willing, I'd really like you to listen to the video and give us your views on it (I greatly value your opinion--especially on eschatology and spiritual matters). Once I finish reading it, I'd be willing to send the book to you to read, assuming you're interested (with the stipulation of you giving it back to me after you've finished reading and studying it).

Yea. this interview goes for about 2 hours.. just click on teh yout ube video's to find the rest of them.

It is priceless stuff.


Carving of the god Apollo.. as always showed as a real person.. interacting with real people. ( relates to the subject at hand ).

Munkey wrote:

I'm nine minutes into the video and I've already ordered his book "Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse". This is the first book I have ever ordered for myself, much less voluntarily read. (I normally just read online). I'm going to continue listening to this interview, but plan on reading the book the second it comes in. I can't wait!

Thanks, Ash.


EDIT: I just watched all two hours of the video, enthralled from start to finish. I even skipped lunch to finish watching it. Lord Voldemort, if you're willing, I'd really like you to listen to the video and give us your views on it (I greatly value your opinion--especially on eschatology and spiritual matters). Once I finish reading it, I'd be willing to send the book to you to read, assuming you're interested (with the stipulation of you giving it back to me after you've finished reading and studying it).

I appreciate it, I will look at the video, either tonight or tomorrow over the weekend.

One of the problems i am seeing is he is picking what verses he wants to fit his view.

For example:

Rev 17:11 "The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.

He is saying this is the "fallen" angels that happened during the flood. Well, Revelation does not mention the flood, but revelation does explain this verse, but he is right that most do not explain these verses.

Revelation states that the Beast is Revelation 13. That this beast will exist and then it will not exist.

What happens to the Beast of Revelation 13? Read Chap. 19, the Beast and False Prophet are thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Dragon is thrown into the abyss, thus "is not" and it becomes an eighth. Eighth what? Well, that is explained in Rev 17:10 and they are seven king(dom); five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while.

There are seven empires, thus the Beast and the False Prophet is the Seventh Empire. So what is the seventh empire?

When Revelation was written five have fallen and one is in place. Rome is the sixth empire. What are the five that have fallen? They are mentioned in the bible. Egypt (kings), Assyria (Kings), Babylon (Jeremiah, Daniel), Persia (Daniel, Ezra) Macedonia (Daniel), Rome (NT). What followed Rome? The Roman Empire still continued after the fall of the West, the government moved to Constantinople, it continued as what modern historians call the Byzantine Empire, though they still called themselves the Roman Empire, we call it the Byzantine Empire for distinction purposes. The Empire that destroyed the Byzantine Empire was the Ottoman Empire. So the Seventh Empire was the Ottoman Empire, when the Ottoman Empire was defeated no empire took their place. The Middle East was divided up.

Revelation 19 says the Beast and False Prophet will be defeated in the Valley Megiddo here. The Ottoman Empire last battle that liberated the Middle East was in the Valley Megiddo, one month later the empire collapsed and the war in that area was over.

The Dragon was cast into the abyss, and those martyred by the Ottoman Empire were resurrected and they reign with Christ now, while we live on earth. When this time is over, the Dragon is released, this is seen in Rev. 9/11/20. The Dragon forms an eighth empire at the end of the "thousand years", this battle is seen, most likely, in Ezekiel 38/39. After that Christ will return and take the Dragon and throw him into the Lake of Fire. Thus the eighth empire is done and Christ reigns.

His view is very traditional of the end times, he is very influenced by Jeffery, Van Impe, Lindsey, etc of his end time view. All he is doing is giving a more "radical" view of these views. He mixes Mythology with modern eschatology to explain this view.

I like his view of mythology, it is plausible, that there is a connection between them, so I will not dispute that. But his view is based off faulty modern eschatology of Pre-tribulationism. Which is not the view of Ancient Christianity. They were Post-Tribulationism, then they went AMillennial, Pre-Millennial/Post-Tribulational came back with the Reformation. Pre-trib/Pre-Mil came up during the 1800's by the Brethren/Mennonites. So that presents a problem.

Gen 6:1 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,
Gen 6:2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
Gen 6:3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."
Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

The Sons of God and Daughters of Men, I think is just a literary device.

What I think the Sons of God were, what was Genesis talking about prior to? It is talking about the two lines of Adam, Seth and Cain. I am not sure if they are a mixture of the two lines. But it is possible, that Seth's line were mixing with Cains line, which would corrupt the line of the Messiah (as some believe).

But what are the Nephilim? They were not from the Sons and Daughters, for it says that they were in those days and afterward, they required the sons and daughters to bore children to THEM. They were mighty men of old, who are they? Adam lived for 930 years. Seth was 800. These old men were the Nephiilim. They could not, it seem, bear children, so they wanted other people to bear children and those children were given to them.

Num 13:33 "There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight."

Num 13:22 When they had gone up into the Negev, they came to Hebron where Ahiman, Sheshai and Talmai, the descendants of Anak were. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.)

This is the other part of the bible that mentions this word. Anak were not part of Genesis 6.

This gives a clue to what they were win Genesis 6.

The old men of renown, may have ruled the world and the people under them, so much so, they were able to force people to give them their children. In Palestine Anak is the powerhouse, no one can beat them, they rule the other nations in the land.

Num 13:29 "Amalek is living in the land of the Negev and the Hittites and the Jebusites and the Amorites are living in the hill country, and the Canaanites are living by the sea and by the side of the Jordan."

Most likely what the world was like, a world that was ruled by a few and they fought those who were against them, and forced the people to give them their children, maybe they were using the children for war? Control?

Anak three children were the powerhouse of Palestine and the Hebrews had to defeat them to take the land. Destroy them, they destroy the unity of the land, then they could divide and conquer the rest of the people.

This is just from the text. Whereas, he is taking his sources outside the bible and he is only using the bible for select points.

Just because a book might not be considered part of the "canon" of scriptue.. does not make it not usefly in scholarly discovery... like the book of Enoch.. which is acutally quoted from in Jude, I believe.. a book in the accepted Bible.

And then the Pentateuch.. one of htemost Important ancient texts of Hebrew srcipture.

Both thte book of Enoch and the Pentateuch back up the story of hte Naphal and their hybrid offsprong.. the Nephilim.. wicked gods of the ancient and premieval world who stirred the wrath of Yaweh.. only to be bound in Tartarus ( the Pit, Hades) and or wiped off the face of the earth for a time.

Much that is written of i the Bible we use.. is also written of and even clarified forus in these other ancient tomes.. whether or you want to call them "inspired" or not.


And tell me you don't stil hodl to that view that the Nephilim are merely the line of Seth and such? The scriptures and extra Biblical ancient texts are very clear on whothey are and many of the things that they did.

Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those (Nephilim) were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Men of old, men of renown. The context that leads into this chapter, is the genealogy of Adam and Cain. These people were populating the earth and many men of old were men of renown, and were demanding that the younger people give their children to them.

The context does not support that the Nephilim are fallen angels. Nor does the context even support that Sons of God are angels. The Phrase Sons of God does not appear again in the First five books, nor in the next four books. To say that this phrase means one thing, based off of a phrase in another book, which most likely were not written by the same person.

The context is what I said.

The bible does not support they are fallen angels. The extra-sources are just that, extra, they are being brought in and they interpret that source on the Bible.

The old men of renown are simply those who are old and they control the world. Sons of God and Daughters of men are simply men and women having sex, having children, and giving them to the Old Men of renown.

While I don't agree 100% with you analysis, I do agree that the "sons of God" were not angels, and the nephilim were not fallen angels, nor were they the product of interbreeding between angels (fallen or otherwise) and humans.

What do you think they are?

I look at the wording of the phrase. The sons of God and Daughters of Men gave their children to the Nephilim. They were in the earth before and afterward.

That is why I say the Nephilim were the Sons of Cain. They may have been intersecting themselves into line of Seth, Since Noah was from that line. He was the only righteous man left on earth. That means the line of Seth were being corrupted by the power of the line of Cain.

The enmity between the seed of the Serpent and the woman is the battle that we are seeing here, the outcome of it. It was fulfilled when Cain killed Able, that was the bite on the heel. He was replaced by Seth, Cain/Nephilim line corrupted the world by violence (read their geneology) and they controlled the world. Noah and his family was saved and the flood, that was the crushing of the head. Noah saved to start over.

lord voldemort wrote:

What do you think they are?

I look at the wording of the phrase. The sons of God and Daughters of Men gave their children to the Nephilim. They were in the earth before and afterward.

That is why I say the Nephilim were the Sons of Cain. They may have been intersecting themselves into line of Seth, Since Noah was from that line. He was the only righteous man left on earth. That means the line of Seth were being corrupted by the power of the line of Cain.

The enmity between the seed of the Serpent and the woman is the battle that we are seeing here, the outcome of it. It was fulfilled when Cain killed Able, that was the bite on the heel. He was replaced by Seth, Cain/Nephilim line corrupted the world by violence (read their geneology) and they controlled the world. Noah and his family was saved and the flood, that was the crushing of the head. Noah saved to start over.

The nephilim refers to the offsrping of the Naphal ( which in Hebrew means the fallen ones).. so yea.. the Nephilim were not angels.. but one could say that they were not fully human either. They were hybrids.. and indeed it was a mockery of God... hence the wrath of Yaweh and the Flood, etc...

Also, what better way to prevent tthe coming of the messiah.. than to destroy the blood line of mankind? These angels that scriptuere said left their first estate ( heaven) and entered into our world ( obviously as human looking beings, since they were attractive and had sex with women).
but that woudl make sense.. sens angels everywhere in scripture.. when described in a manifest form.. are described as humanoid in everyway.


Lord Voldemort continue to confuse the Nephilim with the Naphal ( which were the angels who left heaven for earth). The nephilim are the progeny of the Naphal.. are not angels... but rather hybrid humans... some being giants, some being hero's of old and men of renown... men of Great strength...


like Achilles, Thor, Goliath, Og, Hercules.. and etc and so forth.

The bible does not say, at least, not to my knowledge, that the Naphal are Angels, or even fallen ones.

The context of the Genesis 6 is about the the continuation of the fall (I wonder if that would be Naphal) that happened in chap. 3. Their expulsion, the murder of Abel by Cain and the new line by Seth, followed by their genealogies. No where is there a passage about Fallen Angels. Nephal could be in reference to the line of Cain, which he did, when he murdered Abel. God cursed him, but that curse followed him throughout life and down his line, so God Cursed Cain and Cain became the Fallen Ones.

If I am confusing anything, it is the context of what is presented. If that is the case, than I am not the one confusing it. My conclusion is based on context of the passages and the progression of the story.

You are basing your theory on everything else but the context, and inserting them into the context.

If what you say is correct Ash, than Adam is a, or became a, Naphal when God put him into a sleep: Gen 2:21 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall (Naphal) upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place.

And Eve is a Nephilim because she is the result of Adam being under the "Fall" of sleep.

I think those who have this view, have read too much into it, and have not allowed the text to speak for itself. When the text seems to state that the Nephilim are those from the "Fall" or the "Curse" of Cain. We read that Cain was cursed, his line was Cursed, and his line was violent.

So violent that Noah was the only "righteous man" on earth.

I am beginning to step away from the Messiah theory, that many have proclaimed from this. I have stated before the prophecy concerning Eve and the Serpent was the prophecy of Cain murdering Abel and the result of Seth and Cain lines. Which ended up With Seth's line winning out with Noah, while Cain's line was destroyed.

Cain attempted to wipe out Able lines by murdering him, and from the prophecy we see Cain's line trying to destroy Seth's line, thus a snake bitting the heel, and the heel crushing the head. There is an attempt of murder by one line and the other line crushing the other. Which happened at the Flood.

Your going to believe what you want to believe and I have no intrerest in changing your mind and therefore not interest in debating the subject with you.

Really, I would like to discuss it with those who are on the same page as I am.. on the subject... becasue the complexities are so deep, vast and illuminating.


It is an interesting fact that the distance mathematically from teh base of the great pyramid to teh top poinbt is equivalent to teh exact distance from teh earth to the sun. It's also interesting that the builders of the Great pyramid have shown that they knew mathematically how to square the circle.. and interesting that many of the blocks with which it is built weigh more than what the largest crains that currently exist can even lift... all interesting facts ( especially if you think that iron age humans built the great pyramid and all the other ones all over the world and on and on )

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It is an interesting fact that the distance mathematically from the base of the great pyramid to the top point is equivalent to teh exact distance from the earth to the sun. It's also interesting that the builders of the Great pyramid have shown that they knew mathematically how to square the circle.. and interesting that many of the blocks with which it is built weigh more than what the largest crains that currently exist can even lift... all interesting facts ( especially if you think that iron age humans built the great pyramid and all the other ones all over the world and on and on )

On this point it is interesting.

If indeed what he states is indeed accurate. The fact I found him fudging the biblical data makes me think he may be fudging else where. I am not talking about just Genesis 6, but other verses.

Most of the verses he used were taken out of context to fit his pet theory.

As I said, I found his information on the Mythology interesting, and on that point, he is compelling. But, I think his theory is heavily flawed, therefore, wrong.

http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org/egypt/studyguide/gpmath.php

93,205,678 miles to the sun from earth. The height of the pyramid from base to capstone: 480.69 feet.

I am not sure how he calculated his thing. Also, he is measuring in miles, something the Egyptians did not know, so they could not calculate the the Pyramid to the distance between the sun and earth in miles.

There are too many problems with his view for him to be taken seriously.

The site shows they knew Pi, which shows their understanding of math.

there are explanations for all of those things.. but you do not seek them.. you seek quick google debunkings.. and that you will find, in plenty.

Munkey.. did you get that book yet?

Can you present them?

I see what he presented, and I find it faulty.

I looked up the measurements of the Pyramid and they do not come close to what he presented.

I am keeping an open mind, but I keep tripping over the facts.

just a hint.. these ideas are not this guy's ideas.. they have been proposed and studied by many scholars for many many years... the only new ideas he sets forth are on the meaning of the pyramids in relation to the new Jerusalem and heavenly cities... as it were. And also, his thoery on their makers purpose.

your gonna get tripped up with facts, until you put all teh facts together.

kind of like how a symphony sounds makes no sense if your looking at random notes of it.. all spread out incoherently. The notes of the piece ( the facts) have to be assembled properly.

Really. don't let my posts annoy you.. I am not interested in changing your mindon anything here.

That is true, I am aware of it. But, what he presented and what I can look up and what I know of the bible, do not line up at all.

That is false, lord voldemort. but also true.. for you.

The Bible is subjective.. in many areas.

In fact, facts are subjective too.. very often.

He made a statement about Revelation 17 referring to the flood. I disproved it. All you have to do is remove my interpretation of what the Beast and False Prophet are, and Revelation explains what that verse is.

You may not like or agree with what I said about Genesis 6, but the interpretation stems from the context.

Which is my point, he takes them out of context and adds his own view into them, yes Gen. 6 has various interpretation, held by many Christians, I can see and understand where they are coming from On that point, I have no problem with it, due to that many hold to the "fallen angel" view, though I disagree with it. But I can accept it.

But his claim on Rev. 17 is DEAD WRONG!

If it is true or false for me, than this whole thing is subjective and a waste of time. Because then you can believe whatever you want, despite the facts or despite an argument to the contrary.

The fact that the earth is round, is that subjective? Or the "fact" he claimed the Pyramid dimension equals the distance to the Sun to the Earth? If proven wrong, is that "proof" subjective?

That claim is very shakey.

I woudl argue that you take them out of context,, and both of us would be right. Because those verses are subjective.

They Key is in the Philology.

YOur interpretation is come across using a loose version of the ancient word Naphal... and his andmy interpretation uses a exacting interpretation of the word Naphal.. and in teh context of a personhood , not as a verb that can be separated to refer to any state of falling.

Our interpretation compares the etymology to the other ancient texts it appears in, that are extra biblical. Your interpretation requires that no extra biblical information be used to exact meanings.. becuase all of the other texts disagree with your interpretation completely. The book of Enoch and the Pentateuch being these ancient texts.