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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:11 pm

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Not purgatory, but it is somewhat like it. It is not a purification process after death. It's simply just a waiting.

From what I think I've garnered. Abraham's Bosom is like the paradise that Christ spoke of, for the righteous, and the grave is somewhat similar for the unrighteous, which sounds similar to purgatory/hell.

By the end of the night though, it's all waiting till the final judgement. Final afterlives are Heaven and Lake of Fire. Life vs. Death, not Reward vs. Punishment. It all depends on who is written in the Book of Life.

OK, hope I'm not hijacking the thread TOO bad, but I'm confused/intrigued.
So, are you saying that ALL people go to this "grave"? Like, even the most holiest of holies? There we wait until the end of time, then we are judged, and sent to wherever?
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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:19 pm



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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:14 pm

I believe that a true, repentant, Spirit-born Christian who commits suicide will indeed go to Heaven. I also think if a true Christian had an argument with his wife, stormed out of his house cursing her under his breath, walked half a block down the street and got hit by a car and killed they'd also go to heaven. Repentance is not some momentary cover-up of your previous sins and you're just outta luck if you commit one more afterwards and need to "go through the motions" all over again. Repentance is an act and mindset born out of true, saving faith in Christ. A faith that is *itself* a gift from God.

John Piper says it a little more eloquently here (taken from a funeral discourse for a young lady that committed suicide): http://www.christianity.com/11553479/

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Truly I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness but is guilty of eternal sin. (Mark 3:28–29)

Only one thing puts a person beyond forgiveness: blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. But this is not any single act, for Jesus says any sins and blasphemies will be forgiven those who follow him. No. Blasphemy against the Spirit of God is treating the Spirit as dirt by continually and persistently resisting and rejecting this call to repentance until death.

No single sin, not even suicide, evicts a person from heaven into hell. One thing does: continual rejection of God’s Spirit. Our friend, we believe, gave up that resistance and accepted the forgiveness of Christ. What sort of momentary weakness, what brief cloud of hopelessness caused her to take her life remains a mystery. But no one can say this: that her final act is unforgivable. Nor any other act by any of us. For Jesus said: all sins will be forgiven the sons of men if they give up resisting the Spirit and look to Jesus for salvation.
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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:22 pm

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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:30 pm

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Death over Life wrote:
I did not say you go nowhere after you die. The grave is an actual place, not just 6 feet under the ground. The grave is the waiting place till the final judgement. Another one that is spoken of that is similar is Abraham's Bosom.

Don't forget about the Scriptures that also speak about soul-sleeping either.

So, is that like Purgatory?

The concept of purgatory is supported by the catholic church with the deuterocanonical books, which is known as apocrypha to the protestants. These were later taken out by the reform movement (we all know this, so no need to delve into this), who adopted the hebrew canon.

A note on Hebrew Canon:
Hebrew canon initially had the deuterocanonical books included as part of the Tanakh (The entire old testament: Torah, Nevi'im, Ketuvim), but were later removed in Rabbinical Judaism. This was to remove all gentile influence. The deuterocanonical books were penned by Jewish hand, however, they were penned in Greek, at a time when there was a heavy Greek influence on Judaism and the common language of the Jews was Greek.

Take it or leave it, just to clarify on the RCC's stance. I don't really buy it myself, but I do think it is worth considering and shouldn't simply be scoffed at like the way so many Christian's seem to do nowadays when presented with an idea they don't agree with.
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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:56 pm

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The answer is simply yes, because everybody goes to Hell when they die, Christian or not.

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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:01 pm

No.
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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:12 pm

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No.

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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:19 pm

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Kamerad Ash wrote:
No.

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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:21 pm

olias wrote:
Hguols wrote:
Kamerad Ash wrote:
No.

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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:22 pm

Hguols wrote:
olias wrote:
Hguols wrote:
Kamerad Ash wrote:
No.

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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:25 pm

LastFirstborn wrote:
Hguols wrote:
olias wrote:
Hguols wrote:
Kamerad Ash wrote:
No.

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No.


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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:50 pm

not this again...
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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:51 pm

seriously guys.
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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:59 pm

wizardovmetal wrote:
but there isnt time for repentance, and im sure a person isnt sorry for killing themself

Say a person follows God his whole life, and is eventually killed immediately after doing one sin. I do not think they are destined for hell either, as they would not have had time to repent either.

God doesn't just say 'oh, tough break, you served me all your life but committed a sin right there... rules are rules, buddy. Enjoy the heat.'

Our God is more just than that.
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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:43 am

Hguols wrote:
LastFirstborn wrote:
Hguols wrote:
olias wrote:
Hguols wrote:
Kamerad Ash wrote:
No.

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o.o

No.


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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:21 am

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wizardovmetal wrote:
but there isnt time for repentance, and im sure a person isnt sorry for killing themself

Say a person follows God his whole life, and is eventually killed immediately after doing one sin. I do not think they are destined for hell either, as they would not have had time to repent either.

God doesn't just say 'oh, tough break, you served me all your life but committed a sin right there... rules are rules, buddy. Enjoy the heat.'

Our God is more just than that.

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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:44 am

Thou Shalt Not Kill
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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:30 am

I would like to think its like Elan said, I think it depends on the person and situation just like most everything else, my best friend of 17 years commited suicide in 2004 and i have tried and tried to force myself to think he went to heaven, he found God a few months before he killed himself, he just couldnt deal with the drug addiction anymore

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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:47 pm

NapalmDave))) wrote:
I would like to think its like Elan said, I think it depends on the person and situation just like most everything else, my best friend of 17 years commited suicide in 2004 and i have tried and tried to force myself to think he went to heaven, he found God a few months before he killed himself, he just couldnt deal with the drug addiction anymore

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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:50 pm

The will of the Father is that we serve His Son Jesus Christ. The Bible also says that if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the Blood Of Jesus continually cleanses us from all sin. We as humans will ALWAYS do stupid things and make mistakes. He still forgives us. Killing yourself is a stupid mistake. And the Blood of Jesus is FAR more powerful than our stupidity.
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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:07 pm

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The will of the Father is that we serve His Son Jesus Christ. The Bible also says that if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the Blood Of Jesus continually cleanses us from all sin. We as humans will ALWAYS do stupid things and make mistakes. He still forgives us. Killing yourself is a stupid mistake. And the Blood of Jesus is FAR more powerful than our stupidity.

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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:19 pm

Hguols wrote:
rightwing3 wrote:
The will of the Father is that we serve His Son Jesus Christ. The Bible also says that if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the Blood Of Jesus continually cleanses us from all sin. We as humans will ALWAYS do stupid things and make mistakes. He still forgives us. Killing yourself is a stupid mistake. And the Blood of Jesus is FAR more powerful than our stupidity.

Awesome post! ^_^

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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:49 pm

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Thou Shalt Not Kill

This is true, but what about mercy killing? Suicide could be seen as this, if someone is unhappy and feels hopeless enough to seek escape through death.

Death is not the hopelessness that we fear. Death is the last hope.
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PostSubject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell?   Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:51 pm

yeah, nobody who commits suicide wants to die, they want the pain to stop. if the pain isnt stopping, or is too severe to cope with, death is an escape from the pain.
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