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wizardovmetal
Number of posts : 1056 Age : 32 Location : COLD Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 6616
| Subject: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:25 pm | |
| if someone kills themselves will they go to hell? explain please. |
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Hguols
Number of posts : 2103 Age : 43 Location : Irving, Illinois Registration date : 2009-09-09 Points : 7654
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:34 pm | |
| No - because murderers don't go to hell as long as they have accepted the gift of salvation. Suicide is murdering yourself - a sin. Since the sins have been paid for, we can still receive salvation.
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wizardovmetal
Number of posts : 1056 Age : 32 Location : COLD Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 6616
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:38 pm | |
| but there isnt time for repentance, and im sure a person isnt sorry for killing themself |
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SSG Jake
Number of posts : 369 Age : 38 Location : Camp Casey, South Korea Registration date : 2010-07-14 Points : 5441
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:41 pm | |
| I don't think so. Some people are weak, or maybe not weak, unable to cope as well as others. I don't God would doll out the ulitimate punishment because of one mistake. |
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SSG Jake
Number of posts : 369 Age : 38 Location : Camp Casey, South Korea Registration date : 2010-07-14 Points : 5441
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:43 pm | |
| - wizardovmetal wrote:
- but there isnt time for repentance, and im sure a person isnt sorry for killing themself
You're assuming an instant death, like a Gunshot to the head. Suppose they swallowed abunch of pills, or cut their wrists, or jumped off a building? Then they would have enough time to be sorry. An also, most people's last words, or notes say something like, "I'm Sorry." |
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Hguols
Number of posts : 2103 Age : 43 Location : Irving, Illinois Registration date : 2009-09-09 Points : 7654
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:44 pm | |
| - wizardovmetal wrote:
- but there isnt time for repentance, and im sure a person isnt sorry for killing themself
Lack of repentance does not equal denial of salvation. We all fall short - whether we realize it or not, we're constantly sinning creatures. If I had to bet money on instances where every sin is repented of by the time a Christian dies, I'd have to say very few, if any qualify. Suicide is an extreme example, but it is not an exception. |
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wizardovmetal
Number of posts : 1056 Age : 32 Location : COLD Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 6616
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:46 pm | |
| but what if they really arent? what if they want to die? what if they know its against god? |
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Hguols
Number of posts : 2103 Age : 43 Location : Irving, Illinois Registration date : 2009-09-09 Points : 7654
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:49 pm | |
| - wizardovmetal wrote:
- but what if they really arent? what if they want to die? what if they know its against god?
Someone killing themselves is just one way (of many) of not doing God's will. Not doing God's will does NOT mean that person cannot receive salvation. Side note here - are you alright Jonathan? Saw a chat description not too long ago on YIM that seemed rather dismal. |
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wizardovmetal
Number of posts : 1056 Age : 32 Location : COLD Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 6616
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:52 pm | |
| the bible says only those who do the will of my father may enter into the kingdom.
EDIT: so if it isnt the will of god you will not be able to enter im guessing, then again why would a loving god send someone to an eternity of pain for only trying to escape it? theres to many colliding reasons. |
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SSG Jake
Number of posts : 369 Age : 38 Location : Camp Casey, South Korea Registration date : 2010-07-14 Points : 5441
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:58 pm | |
| - wizardovmetal wrote:
- the bible says only those who do the will of my father may enter into the kingdom.
EDIT: so if it isnt the will of god you will not be able to enter im guessing, then again why would a loving god send someone to an eternity of pain for only trying to escape it? theres to many colliding reasons. OK, but it doesn't say those that ALWAYS do the will. If that were the case, NO ONE would make it into heaven. |
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Hguols
Number of posts : 2103 Age : 43 Location : Irving, Illinois Registration date : 2009-09-09 Points : 7654
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:59 pm | |
| Not doing God's will is sinning. They've been paid for.
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wizardovmetal
Number of posts : 1056 Age : 32 Location : COLD Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 6616
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:01 pm | |
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Hguols
Number of posts : 2103 Age : 43 Location : Irving, Illinois Registration date : 2009-09-09 Points : 7654
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:06 pm | |
| No one can be 100% sin free after they accept the gift of salvation. Anyone can still go to heaven after accepting that gift, regardless if they blow their brains out, do a line, do their sister, shop at Kmart before they die.
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SSG Jake
Number of posts : 369 Age : 38 Location : Camp Casey, South Korea Registration date : 2010-07-14 Points : 5441
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:13 pm | |
| - Hguols wrote:
- No one can be 100% sin free after they accept the gift of salvation.
Anyone can still go to heaven after accepting that gift, regardless if they blow their brains out, do a line, do their sister, shop at Kmart before they die.
Hey, now. K-mart is the root of all evil. Yeah, totally. You're not perfect. NO ONE was sin-free, except Jesus. God doesn't require you to NOT sin, just TRY to not sin, and ask forgivness when you do. |
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wizardovmetal
Number of posts : 1056 Age : 32 Location : COLD Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 6616
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:29 pm | |
| i beleive sin is important, and we SHOULD sin, fall and get back up and return, not sin intentionally, but god is infallible, and being that he is he would not have allowed sin into the world unless it had a purpose, we are becoming like god, knowing the difference between right and wrong, and chosing right. but killing yourself when you know its not what god wants and never having time to repent, or not being sorry at all, idk. |
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Hguols
Number of posts : 2103 Age : 43 Location : Irving, Illinois Registration date : 2009-09-09 Points : 7654
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:38 pm | |
| - wizardovmetal wrote:
- i beleive sin is important, and we SHOULD sin, fall and get back up and return, not sin intentionally, but god is infallible, and being that he is he would not have allowed sin into the world unless it had a purpose, we are becoming like god, knowing the difference between right and wrong, and chosing right. but killing yourself when you know its not what god wants and never having time to repent, or not being sorry at all, idk.
I'm telling you. ...even though they sin intentionally, they still qualify for salvation. |
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wizardovmetal
Number of posts : 1056 Age : 32 Location : COLD Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 6616
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:45 pm | |
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Death over Life
Number of posts : 632 Age : 34 Location : The Inner Sanctum known as my Insanity and Damnation Registration date : 2008-11-02 Points : 6275
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:48 pm | |
| Alright here is the Truth. Hguols is correct on this issue. Mad props to you Hguols! From what I've seen, it seems you became what you had a distaste for a few months ago in that philosophers vs. unintelligent thread way back when.
Anyways, with that being said, yes, those who commit suicide go to Hell (aka Hades/Sheol which means the Grave). However, despite the fact that those who commit suicide go to Hell, it doesn't mean they aren't saved. Whether they go to the Lake of Fire after the judgement is what should be properly asked.
Everybody goes to Hell, but only the elect will go to Heaven, and the rest will go to the Lake of Fire, where they will be eternally separated from God, which means separation from Life itself and the ability to live. Lake of Fire IS NOT eternal torment and torture. The Lake of Fire is the Final Judgement, which is the 2nd Death, which 2nd death means they are annihilated from existance. This is how God is omnipresent, yet at the same time, the Lake of Fire is separation from God for eternity. |
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wizardovmetal
Number of posts : 1056 Age : 32 Location : COLD Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 6616
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:53 pm | |
| agree on the lake of fire being eternal death, do not agree that when u die u go nowhere. ive done alot of studying, and there is an afterlife so to speak, for instance christ said to the thieves "today you will be in paradise with me" |
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Death over Life
Number of posts : 632 Age : 34 Location : The Inner Sanctum known as my Insanity and Damnation Registration date : 2008-11-02 Points : 6275
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:56 pm | |
| I did not say you go nowhere after you die. The grave is an actual place, not just 6 feet under the ground. The grave is the waiting place till the final judgement. Another one that is spoken of that is similar is Abraham's Bosom.
Don't forget about the Scriptures that also speak about soul-sleeping either. |
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SSG Jake
Number of posts : 369 Age : 38 Location : Camp Casey, South Korea Registration date : 2010-07-14 Points : 5441
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:58 pm | |
| - Death over Life wrote:
- I did not say you go nowhere after you die. The grave is an actual place, not just 6 feet under the ground. The grave is the waiting place till the final judgement. Another one that is spoken of that is similar is Abraham's Bosom.
Don't forget about the Scriptures that also speak about soul-sleeping either. So, is that like Purgatory? |
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wizardovmetal
Number of posts : 1056 Age : 32 Location : COLD Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 6616
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:02 pm | |
| there is a paradise for beleivers, but i dont want to stray off topic, this is about if you kill yourself do you go to hell, not what is hell. not to be rude, but this subject is important to me. |
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Death over Life
Number of posts : 632 Age : 34 Location : The Inner Sanctum known as my Insanity and Damnation Registration date : 2008-11-02 Points : 6275
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:04 pm | |
| Not purgatory, but it is somewhat like it. It is not a purification process after death. It's simply just a waiting.
From what I think I've garnered. Abraham's Bosom is like the paradise that Christ spoke of, for the righteous, and the grave is somewhat similar for the unrighteous, which sounds similar to purgatory/hell.
By the end of the night though, it's all waiting till the final judgement. Final afterlives are Heaven and Lake of Fire. Life vs. Death, not Reward vs. Punishment. It all depends on who is written in the Book of Life. |
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Death over Life
Number of posts : 632 Age : 34 Location : The Inner Sanctum known as my Insanity and Damnation Registration date : 2008-11-02 Points : 6275
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:05 pm | |
| Not trying to stray the thread or anything, but Hell is an important part of the topic. The answer is simply yes, because everybody goes to Hell when they die, Christian or not.
So, part of this depends on what your' definition of Hell is. Most tend to believe Hell and the Lake of Fire are the same. |
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wizardovmetal
Number of posts : 1056 Age : 32 Location : COLD Registration date : 2009-08-17 Points : 6616
| Subject: Re: If a person commits suicide, will they go to hell? Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:07 pm | |
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