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I watched the Daniel's Timeline DVD (released in 2005) yesterday and was blown away at what the scriptures unlock. It is very involved and carefully explained after 20 years of study.

Watch here http://www.waytozion.org/video/stream/timeline/timeline.html

Daniel's end time prophecies, Daniel's 70th week, the Jubilee years, the Feasts of the LORD, The vision of Revelation 12, the 1290 and 1335 day counts, the parable of the fig tree, the altar shut down, the abomination that makes Jerusalem desolate,and much more is explained showing how
they all fit together revealing the exact years of the Great Tribulation. When the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob reveals His Truth, all the prophecy pieces just fall into place on their own........


more info http://www.danielstimeline.com/
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The Christian Community has taken themselves completely out of the loop with the following mis-quote: “no man knoweth the day or the hour of the Lord’s return, not even the angels in heaven.” However, what the Lord really says in Matthew 24:35-36, is that heaven and earth will pass away but of that day and hour knoweth no man nor the angels. This is after the Lord’s return and after His thousand-year reign. We are supposed to know.
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I disagree.
Not even Jesus knows the exact day.
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I find this very interesting.
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Know man knows the hour is about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E., it has nothing to do with the future of our time, nor some "thousand year reign" or the coming of Christ.

Matthew 24 is about the destruction of Jerusalem, If you read that thread on it, you will see the historical background to it.
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WE just had another large earthquake in China... these large earthquakes o ne after another.. strange weather.. wars and rumors or wars... rumors of a nuclear terrorist attack.. all meet the biblical criteria for the Last Days.

I always found it interesting that Sir Issac Newton, inhisown studies of revelations.. believed that the second coming woudl be around the year 2012. He made that prediction before there was ever this modern hype about 2012.

Scripture teaches that none knows the hour or the day... but we can get a good idea of the nearness... I believe.
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There is this guy at my work. I like his attitude about things he can't help: don't worry.
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Just because we're talking about things like the Great Tribulation.. doesn't mean we are worrying about it.

AS Christ said-- " Do not worry about tomorrow, for every day's evil is sufficient unto itself". - Paraphrasing.
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Well he is from the ghetto, so his actual words were "f*ck it"

If 2012 passes without incident...you owe me 12 bucks.

If not...I owe Jesus 12 bucks. And my soul to boot.
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Kamerad Ash wrote:
WE just had another large earthquake in China... these large earthquakes o ne after another.. strange weather.. wars and rumors or wars... rumors of a nuclear terrorist attack.. all meet the biblical criteria for the Last Days.

I always found it interesting that Sir Issac Newton, inhisown studies of revelations.. believed that the second coming woudl be around the year 2012. He made that prediction before there was ever this modern hype about 2012.

Scripture teaches that none knows the hour or the day... but we can get a good idea of the nearness... I believe.

Actually he said 2060.

http://www.isaac-newton.org/update.html
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Know man knows the hour is about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E., it has nothing to do with the future of our time, nor some "thousand year reign" or the coming of Christ.

Matthew 24 is about the destruction of Jerusalem, If you read that thread on it, you will see the historical background to it.

Yeah yeah yeah.
While this very thing you said might be true, I'm always skeptical with anything you claim about end times. So I'll just take this as if it was simply your opinion.
No offense.
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HOH MY GAWD!!!1! WE'RE ALL GONNA' DIE!
I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE IT OFF THIS PLANET ALIVE!!!1!

*poops in Kamerad Ash's cereal*

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO!!?!?!?!!!1?!?!!
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lord voldemort wrote:
Know man knows the hour is about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E., it has nothing to do with the future of our time, nor some "thousand year reign" or the coming of Christ.

Matthew 24 is about the destruction of Jerusalem, If you read that thread on it, you will see the historical background to it.

Yeah yeah yeah.
While this very thing you said might be true, I'm always skeptical with anything you claim about end times. So I'll just take this as if it was simply your opinion.
No offense.

Show a little respect when you respond to someone you disagree with. Don't disrespect me and then say "No offense", that is just rude.

Not my opinion, it is what Christ said would happen.

Mar 13:30 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
Mar 13:31 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
Mar 13:32 "But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.


Which generation is he talking to? Some future generation? I think not, he is talking to His generation, the one he is speaking to: Therefore, this passage is talking about an event that will take place then.

Which would be the Destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E., not some future "great tribulation" that most protestants propose.

"Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Again this is talking about the present generation that he is talking to. The Son of Man coming in his kingdom would be the destruction of Jerusalem.

Mat 23:36 "Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Mat 23:37 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
Mat 23:38 "Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!

The generation he is talking to, not some future one. This is about the destruction of Jerusalem.

Mat 24:34 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
Mat 24:35 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
Mat 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
Mat 24:37 "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.

This generation, the one he is talking to, which would be the destruction of Jerusalem, 40 years later.

Luk 21:32 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place.
Luk 21:33 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
Luk 21:34 "Be on guard, so that your hearts will not be weighted down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that day will not come on you suddenly like a trap;

Luke tells us what this is:

Luk 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.
Luk 21:21 "Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city;
Luk 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.

The words of Jesus tells us that this generation is about an event that will take place in their lifetime, which was and as Jesus predicts was the destruction of Jerusalem.
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The way you piece things together and talk about it like it's just so simple just amazes me.

I'm sorry if you were offended, it wasn't my intention. But you always come off with your theories with such confidence. Call me blind if you'd like, but this is not the way I understand it all.

"The Son of Man coming in his kingdom would be the destruction of Jerusalem."
How do you get to make such a claim... I don't have the energy nor the will to argue with you, but this is one thing that bothers me amongst others.
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Hero wrote:
The way you piece things together and talk about it like it's just so simple just amazes me.

I'm sorry if you were offended, it wasn't my intention. But you always come off with your theories with such confidence. Call me blind if you'd like, but this is not the way I understand it all.

"The Son of Man coming in his kingdom would be the destruction of Jerusalem."
How do you get to make such a claim... I don't have the energy nor the will to argue with you, but this is one thing that bothers me amongst others.


Thanks.

I get into trouble with my view with traditionalist, one of my professors gave me a bad grade on one of my papers because he said "I did not prove my point" but I thought i gave reasonable argument for my case. That was not enough for him. I talked to another professor about it, and he explained it more, so I am not offended when people disagree with me, i see it as iron sharpens iron.

Unless there is some major shift within my view, this is how I will keep it. To me it makes sense, on a historical level, but that is how I think. Whereas, many of my professors think on a theological level and that is where we butt heads.

Prophecy is symbolism, that is the core to what makes up how Christ and others told prophecy.

Taking all of the verses I laid out in the previous post, they are all talking of one event, the destruction of Jerusalem.

So the coming of the Son of Man, means that when this event took place, Christ was saying, "I am the one who who is doing this". He told parables of this that say "you do not know when the Master will return" the Master is Christ and he is coming to set Israel and the Jews right. In this case, he is taking away from them the land and the city until the times of the gentiles fulfilled. So he is saying one thing will end and another thing will begin. The "Time of the Jews (The End of the Age) will end, and the time of the Gentiles will begin" that would be the Kingdom of God.


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I didn't care to watch the whole video, but all I can say is, I'll believe that the world is going to become a real life reenactment of the end of Neon Genesis Evangelion when I see it.

That... would be pretty cool.
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I didn't care to watch the whole video, but all I can say is, I'll believe that the world is going to become a real life reenactment of the end of Neon Genesis Evangelion when I see it.

That... would be pretty cool.

The video was hard to watch, with quoting KJV bible and his inability to speak properly. There was too many pauses and mistakes.
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Lord Voldemort is WAY WAY wrong on this understanding of Revelations.

And it is pointless to get ina debate about it.

So moving on... yea.. there is actual Revelations Prophecy off an apocalyptic nature that is yet to come and those of us who know this... are interested in teh signs of the times.. as it were.


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Lord Voldemort is WAY WAY wrong on this understanding of Revelations.

And it is pointless to get in a debate about it.

So moving on... yea.. there is actual Revelations Prophecy off an apocalyptic nature that is yet to come and those of us who know this... are interested in teh signs of the times.. as it were.


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There was no need to take a snipe at me, your point of view was just as valid without taking a hit at me.

No my view is not wrong, it just disagrees with your interpretation and understanding.

Just because I hold to a predominant Prederist view, which is held by many believers, does not make my view wrong, just different. Just because you hold to a predominant futurist view, which is also held by many believers, makes your different. The difference is point of view of how we see the bible.

For the life of me, I can not understand why you take this so personal that I disagree with you. So, since we have been around this tree a few times, it is best you keep your comments about me to yourself and just comment on the topic without appealing to your low side.
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I didn't care to watch the whole video, but all I can say is, I'll believe that the world is going to become a real life reenactment of the end of Neon Genesis Evangelion when I see it.

That... would be pretty cool.
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You really need to watch the whole video to understand it, theres no point in debating it if your not addressing particular points that are explained in detail in the video.

I'v never seen any thing on the matter so detailed from scripture that all fits together so perfectly.

By the way if this is the truth, then we are already in "The beginning of sorrows"(earthquakes, pestilences,famines wars, false christs) , the 3 and a half years preceeding the Great trib. (started in 2009)
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I have seen similar videos on this. The problem I have with it is that they are taking the signs in the Sun, Moon and Stars as literal.

Sun, Moon and Stars are symbolically signs of government.

Mat 24:29 "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

The entire passage is about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E.

Matt. 24:29 This is a verse people apply to the "last days" but notice that it says "In Those Days" the question is what days? If read futurist it is talking about when Christ returns, at his second coming. But the flow stems from what has just been said: When Rome attacks Israel. That is "those days" because they are future from when Christ stated it.

The Sun, Moon, and Stars are symbolic of powers. When you read Revelation 12 and many of the judgments, you see the same line up:

Rev 8:12 The fourth angel sounded, and a third of the sun and a third of the moon and a third of the stars were struck, so that a third of them would be darkened and the day would not shine for a third of it, and the night in the same way.

Rev 12:1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;

Sun, moon and stars are signs of power and it is in relations to Israel or to Gentile powers.

When Rome attacks Judah, this will be the sign of the end of Israel as a country, that is until 1946/7, almost 1900 years later. But it was also the begin of the end of the peace of Rome. Rome began to fight more wars after this time period, than the previous one hundred years under the Pax Romana created by Augustus.

The Sun, Moon and Stars is simply the meaning of the greater to lesser powers being darkened.

No doubt that there will be an astrological event on that day of 2013. The same thing happened in 1948 and 1967 and will happen again in 2013. That does not mean Christ will return, it may mean that something extraordinary will happen, like the founding of Israel and the capture of East Jerusalem.

But I am Leary on that it means Christ will return. Because it happens again 100 years later in 2100 something.
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These are the events that happened just after the revolt, the powers of Rome were shaken.

Matt. 24:42-44 Christ is warning them that when you see Rome killing and releasing, know that Christ is at the door. The Hour arrived! Rome took its time to respond to the Jewish Revolt, the Revolt started in 66 C.E. They arrived in late 66 C.E. or early 67 C.E. When the revolt happened, Rome became very unsteady in its power: Nero was in power when it started. Christ said there would be powers shaken in the sun, moon and stars. This is what happened between 66 C.E. to 70 C.E.

Nero was emperor. He was declared an enemy of the people and fled and commited suicide.
Galba became the next emperor and was murdered a few months later.
Followed by Otho.
Followed by Vitellius.
Followed by Vespasian.
Known as the year of the Four Emperors.

Christ said there would be powers shaken in the Sun, moon and stars before the "coming of the Son of Man", this happened just as the revolt occurred, with Nero becoming erratic and having Four emperors in one year before it falling to Vespasian.

The "Son of Man" in this case would be the Son of Emperor Vespasian: Titus. Who would subdue the revolt and destroy the city and temple.
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Well, i just find it amazing how with this timeline, somewhere during the 3 and a half year great trib (2013-2016), that the woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars and the dragon etc constalations appears at this time.(as seen in the video)
Plus theres 3 eclipes known to happen fullfilling "THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT".

This is just two of many things that tie into the timeline in this video.
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Looking at the website:

"This latter day Elijah, will also be a forerunner for the Messiah's return, turning the hearts of the fathers to the children (Luke 1:17)."

He is saying this is a "third coming" of Elijah before the coming of the Lord. The verse is concerning John the Baptist, not some future prophet.

His "100 fold" is unbiblical in the way he presents. I know I have made claims that can not be support by commentaries, but what I can not back up by theology, I back up with history. His view of "100 fold" can not be supported by scholarship or in history.

So I see two problems right off the back.

I am reading his "Daniel 70 week"

He is date setting, date setting always ends up being a failure. He is setting himself up to deceive many people, though his intentions are good and hell is paved with many good intentions.

Dan 9:24 "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.
Dan 9:25 "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.
Dan 9:26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

This is not a modern prophecy, this is an ancient prophecy fulfilled by Christ.

The seventy weeks is a symbolic time period from roughly when Persia allowed the Jews to return and then to the time Christ will be born, while Jerusalem is being restored and rebuilt, which happened under King Herod, which was the time Christ was born.

Christ will start his ministry on the 69th week. Christ was cut off after 31/2 years of ministry. He created a new covenant with many:

Jer 31:33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Jer 31:34 "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

When Christ died he put an end to the sacrifices, we no longer need to go to the temple to offer a sacrifice, Christ took that upon him, we go to him and him alone.

The desolation of the city and the Temple is the destruction of the city in 70 C.E. as written by Luke:

Luke 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.

Christ will put an end to the sacrifices, when this happened: Luke 23:45 because the sun was obscured; and the veil of the temple was torn in two. God left the building, making the temple desolate. And when that happened, the city and the temple will become desolate by war. Which was the destruction of the city in 70 C.E.

This passage has nothing to do with the modern period, it was fulfilled between the rise of Persia and the crucifixion of Christ and the destruction of the Temple in 70 C.E.

The 3 1/3 left can be argued as symbolic time period between the crucifixion and 70 C.E. or from the time of the crucifixion to the time of Christ return. Or some variant form, John picks up on it and says it is the time period of the "Beast from the Abyss" and the "Two Witnesses". So it is a symbolic time for the last phase of Revelation.
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