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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:51 am

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And I also guess Isaiah 53:10 is an absolute lie.

Steve doesn't realize this, but he is in a catch-22. According to his theology, there are only two possible outcomes.

1) Those holding to Oneness Pentecostal beliefs at the time of judgment will be damned.
2) We are all GUARANTEED to go to Hell.

Either way, Oneness Pentecostals are completely screwed if they don't repent of their transgressions.

as i have said, god will judge a person based on how they saw fit to judge others, he is judgeing people based on what he beleives are doctrinal errors and saying they will go to hell.

i dont think someone would be condemned for minor theological errors, god is hard to understand. BUT all of us will be judged according to how we judge others, so it is best we dont judge anyone but kindly correct them.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:55 am

It's not a "minor" error though. If one changes how God is, wouldn't that also change the gospel? Changing the gospel from what it is actually saying is probably the most blasphemous thing a person could ever do.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:59 am

well yea thats true. plus we dont have any excuse because the bible is very clear on that subject. believing what winter beleives makes him anti-christ.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:05 am

Is picking on Santa really necessary?
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:23 pm

HAHAHAHAHAHA
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:12 pm

Hguols wrote:
Is picking on Santa really necessary?
ROFL
Have you ever noticed what you get when you rearrange the lettters in Santa?
Thats right...SATAN!!!
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:33 pm

this thread is so trolled now lmao
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:33 pm

Hey guys what about the time that Jesus was being baptized? Was he hearing himself say well done my son from the sky? Man Jesus's multiple personality disorder must have been very uncontrolled there...he was all whacked out

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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:42 pm

To practically summarize as best as I can, if Winterband really is correct on His' Oneness theology, then Jesus Christ is a *******. There is no way around that if Oneness Truly is correct. Winterband serves a fatherless Christ.

EDIT: Okay, how is the fatherless child word a curse word for censoring when it means fatherless child and that word is found plenty in the Bible itself?
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:45 pm

idk, i seem to get past the censors all the time haha
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:51 pm

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To practically summarize as best as I can, if Winterband really is correct on His' Oneness theology, then Jesus Christ is a *******. There is no way around that if Oneness Truly is correct. Winterband serves a fatherless Christ.

EDIT: Okay, how is the fatherless child word a curse word for censoring when it means fatherless child and that word is found plenty in the Bible itself?

Which would make winterband an ANTICHRIST, because he denies the Father!
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:39 pm

hes disapeared again.........
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:43 pm

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hes disapeared again.........

Hmm, not a very good 777th post imo.

Yes you are correct. Then again, because of how he is, I've heard he usually gets into a lot of legal trouble since he does this anywhere he goes. I think Broc (eternal mystery) informed everyone on google searching Winterband or Bro. Winter and see just what kind of junk he get's into, so he can then try to take legal action and get money off of websites like this. I'm about to verify this with a google search.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:49 pm

DoL, check you PMs.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:21 pm

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DoL, check you PMs.

I checked it, but it seems the site is down. I did have some to say, but I think it's best if I just leave it to the sites. The links inform everything about Winter that I feel everyone should know about.

Anyways, I'll post some of the links I've checked:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=Steve+Winter&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=Steve+Winter&gs_rfai=&fp=ce970626fb1f491a



http://users.rcn.com/sadams.enteract/winfaq.html

http://adamsemail.net/winter/winfaq.html

I also found out he has books on amazon for sale! Shocked

http://www.amazon.com/True-Christianity-Bro-Steve-Winter/dp/1440448590

I have also seen that it seems the only place he speaks any differently at all seems to be at this site, which I think is a Oneness Pentacostal site:

http://www.justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=1861&sid=6139b7294c85b4a19f95acc724288ad6

But by the end of the night, at least we know what he is up to when he posts.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:37 pm

Edit: Removed link. Was pretty much the same as another DoL posted.

From additional searching, it even appears from other websites that he actually mailed in a complaint to a court with CHILD PORNOGRAPHY that he downloaded from the "site in question" attached to the letter to be used as evidence (how STUPID can you get? Mere possession is enough to get 15 years behind the slammer).
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:30 pm

I understand that it was pretty much the same link, but I don't think you should have removed it personally imo.

Yep, was looking at the other internet forum he posts at, VERY Oneness Pentacostal, but these people seem more like us than like Winter atm. He only has 8 posts, with many being the exact same posts he posts here, but without the "false-Christian scum" parts of the posts.

Unlike Winter, I think the Oneness people there will actually converse if they came here instead of being a spam bot like what Winter does. I atm have His post history with all His posts and see what they use to disprove Trinitarians/Binitarians. Not all of these were started by Winter himself, but similar subjects by different people who are also Oneness.

http://www.justgivemetruth.com/index.php

http://www.justgivemetruth.com/search.php?search_author=Bro.+Steve+Winter

Bible messages by Bro. Steve Winter
http://www.justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=1861&highlight=

The identity of God
http://www.justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=1862

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http://www.justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=1775&highlight=

http://www.justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=1775&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

Why trinity is antichrist
http://www.justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=1867&highlight=

Rock music and the church
http://www.justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=1391&highlight=

In rock music and the church, you can also see Winter proclaim Larry Norman is burning in Hell. The man is heartless, except to fellow Oneness Pentacostals. So even without all His' criminal political stuff, he really only cares about the already converted.

May Larry Norman R.I.P. I know he's with God, not in Hell like Winter proclaims. \m/
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:13 pm

What I notice about him is he brings on his own martyrdom, he intentionally inflames people with his rhetoric, he wants people to hate him, he wants to feel like a martyr for God. This is the only way for him to feel justified in his own faith, is by having people hate him. In his own mind when people hate him for his own beliefs, he feels justified in saying that his beliefs are correct. He rationalizes it by saying to himself "They hate me, because they can not stand the truth!" which is very egotistical at the very least. He has such a high opinion of himself and of his beliefs, that no one can be right other than him. He has to be the smartest person in the room, if you disagree with him, you are wrong and he drives you away by calling you "unbeliever", thus increasing his superiority he views he has over us.

Every time he calls someone out as an unbeliever, he feels superior to them. So he seeks these things out. It is the only way he can feel in-control of himself. Which means he is a very weak person. Psychologically, he wants attention, but he is unable to get it in the normal way (they could say he is very weak sexually, if a psychologist was behavioring analysis on him). This could be similar to why an arsonist or a murder will have sexual components to their crime. In Winters case it is all mental and attached to how people view him or how he wants people to view him.

He sees himself as a "prophet" and to be a prophet one must be hated to be doing the work of God. So he inflames traditional Christians on purpose, he wants people to hate him, then he presents his view, and he feels the hatred he feels is justification for what he just said. Which is why he never responds to anyone, other than saying the same thing over and over again.

His mind is on a one track setting, to present his "gospel" and to have people hate him for it. He expects this from everyone who responds to him, he sees every criticism as an attack, thus he is taking his "stripes" for God. This is a classical martyrdom syndrome.

Which means he may have grown up in a traditional trinitarian setting, but he received harsh treatment from these people over time. Over time he grew to hate this form of Christianity. So he found Oneness theology and embraced it, because he did not want to break away from Christianity. He found an outlet to attack the traditional form, to get back at those who hated him. He wants these people to hate him, because that is what he grew up with. So he expects Trinitiarians to hate him. The only place that has ever gave him comfort must have been the Oneness theology. So he justifies their hatred toward him as being "False Christians", thus he reinforces it with his own belief of Oneness and he provokes the the trinitarians to hate him, thus in his mind proving to himself that he is hated because they believe in false doctrines, while he believes in the true doctrine.

He is so far down this road of oneness theology, for him to turn back on it, would mean a defeat for him. So he revs up the rhetoric increasing the hatred that he feels everyone has toward him. Even though most responses here are genuine criticism of his belief, he sees it as us "denying God" thus we do not believe. Thus, that creates within him a vision of being more of a martyr. He sees himself as the last of the dying breed.

He is a classical psychological problem, he is a man who has been hurt many times, one who has never forgave those in his past, which is why his god is so harsh, he is expressing his own hatred toward traditional Christians through the eyes of his god. He is rationalizing his own hatred through god. That way he does not have to forgive those who hurt him, he can hate anyone he wants and feels justified in doing it.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:50 pm

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I understand that it was pretty much the same link, but I don't think you should have removed it personally imo.

Yep, was looking at the other internet forum he posts at, VERY Oneness Pentacostal, but these people seem more like us than like Winter atm. He only has 8 posts, with many being the exact same posts he posts here, but without the "false-Christian scum" parts of the posts.

Unlike Winter, I think the Oneness people there will actually converse if they came here instead of being a spam bot like what Winter does. I atm have His post history with all His posts and see what they use to disprove Trinitarians/Binitarians. Not all of these were started by Winter himself, but similar subjects by different people who are also Oneness.

http://www.justgivemetruth.com/index.php

http://www.justgivemetruth.com/search.php?search_author=Bro.+Steve+Winter

Bible messages by Bro. Steve Winter
http://www.justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=1861&highlight=

The identity of God
http://www.justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=1862

+++WHY ELOHIM IF GOD IS ABSOLUTELY ONE?+++
http://www.justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=1775&highlight=

http://www.justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=1775&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

Why trinity is antichrist
http://www.justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=1867&highlight=

Rock music and the church
http://www.justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=1391&highlight=

In rock music and the church, you can also see Winter proclaim Larry Norman is burning in Hell. The man is heartless, except to fellow Oneness Pentacostals. So even without all His' criminal political stuff, he really only cares about the already converted.

May Larry Norman R.I.P. I know he's with God, not in Hell like Winter proclaims. \m/

problem with this article i found just skimming it, (the one on christian rock) most of the bands that are christian that i listen to and that many of us listen to be it metal or rock are designed for the christian, many songs are uplifiting, challenging or convicting (which has helped me stay close to god when i begin to fall away) or praising of god. christian rock and metal help me all of the time, most of them are not preachy. music is also a medium by which to give a message, why not preach in it? not to mention most of his songs preach oneness theology anyways, hypocritical much? larry norman is not burning in hell, seriously? he was a christian, i think anyone who creates christian music is respectable because they are creating art in honor of god instead of themselves. wtf winter.

aside from the fact the album title is corny and rock music is not inherently satanic.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:05 pm

a strange response to a christian metal article

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Christian as in Holy Ghost filled, Acts 2:38 believers? I don't feel heavy metal in any sense would be Christian. I can't imagine Jesus rocking to it. Heavy metal in my days was sex, drugs & rock & roll nothing else. When the LORD called me I fell into heavy metal music labeled Christian and felt no Holy Ghost, no praise and no worship in it. It is fleshy and always will be. 25 years later I listen to Christian music that causes me to shout the name of JESUS, dance in the Spirit, worship in the Spirit, and have everyone around me either praising the LORD or cursing Him.

Example....Last year I got 2 awesome Acts 2:38/Oneness CDs from Dana T Stanley, just blessed music. I was playing it and my neighbor came to the fence and heard it, it wasn't loud but he looked at me and told me to turn it off. Yes 'off' not down just right off. I walked away lifting my hands praise the LORD in the spirit, weeping dancing before Jesus. Well later that night I had to take the garbage out and had an odd feeling and asked my wife to come with me. After dropping the garbage in the bin my neighbor came at me and beat me up for my music. I was on my knees taking it and praising Jesus and telling him I forgive him. I ended up in the hospital and had the police wanting to charge him, I refused that. Now the question would be would trinity believing music stirred that kind of rebellion in my neighbor's heart or would truly borngain, Spirit filled, One God worship music.

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right, throwing cd's in the trash will make someone beat you up if they are "trinity" beleiveing cd's. this is even more far out then those people who say demons can come through portals in rock music covers, isnt it time people take responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming lucky charms?
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:11 pm

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problem with this article i found just skimming it, (the one on christian rock) most of the bands that are christian that i listen to and that many of us listen to be it metal or rock are designed for the christian, many songs are uplifiting, challenging or convicting (which has helped me stay close to god when i begin to fall away) or praising of god. christian rock and metal help me all of the time, most of them are not preachy. music is also a medium by which to give a message, why not preach in it? not to mention most of his songs preach oneness theology anyways, hypocritical much? larry norman is not burning in hell, seriously? he was a christian, i think anyone who creates christian music is respectable because they are creating art in honor of god instead of themselves. wtf winter.

aside from the fact the album title is corny and rock music is not inherently satanic.

On that one, remember Winterband didn't make that particular thread, but he did comment on it. So, he was actually defending Oneness Rock from that creator who proclaimed that any and all Christian rock/metal music was Satanic. But overall, I do agree on the hypocrisy much. Then again, if he were to listen to Fireland by Elgibbor, he would proclaim that it is false Christian scum music DESPITE the fact that all the lyrics are simply from Psalms. So, he did create great hypocrisy, even getting on to the fellow Larry Norman fan.

With Him saying that though, that crosses a line most won't dare to cross. I understand we sometimes struggle with relationships with other people, but a line you just do not cross is disrespecting the dead like that. If not God showing me that, I know that straight up from morality and respect. That is a line Winterband straight up crossed and what the hell did Larry Norman ever do to Winterband? Last time I recall the line "Jesus is the rock and he rolls my blues away" wasn't preaching of a Trinity, but rather saying you need Christ, kind of what Winter is SUPPOSED to be saying.

Read it all, and I think from here on out, we all should just put him on our ignore list and ignore him. Don't forget His history with trying to take anyone and everyone to court if they think differently than He does.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:18 pm

wizardovmetal wrote:
a strange response to a christian metal article

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Christian as in Holy Ghost filled, Acts 2:38 believers? I don't feel heavy metal in any sense would be Christian. I can't imagine Jesus rocking to it. Heavy metal in my days was sex, drugs & rock & roll nothing else. When the LORD called me I fell into heavy metal music labeled Christian and felt no Holy Ghost, no praise and no worship in it. It is fleshy and always will be. 25 years later I listen to Christian music that causes me to shout the name of JESUS, dance in the Spirit, worship in the Spirit, and have everyone around me either praising the LORD or cursing Him.

Example....Last year I got 2 awesome Acts 2:38/Oneness CDs from Dana T Stanley, just blessed music. I was playing it and my neighbor came to the fence and heard it, it wasn't loud but he looked at me and told me to turn it off. Yes 'off' not down just right off. I walked away lifting my hands praise the LORD in the spirit, weeping dancing before Jesus. Well later that night I had to take the garbage out and had an odd feeling and asked my wife to come with me. After dropping the garbage in the bin my neighbor came at me and beat me up for my music. I was on my knees taking it and praising Jesus and telling him I forgive him. I ended up in the hospital and had the police wanting to charge him, I refused that. Now the question would be would trinity believing music stirred that kind of rebellion in my neighbor's heart or would truly borngain, Spirit filled, One God worship music.

Just a pounder from the heart.

Dana T Stanley free mp3s - http://www.apostolicartists.com/songs-frameset.htm
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right, throwing cd's in the trash will make someone beat you up if they are "trinity" beleiveing cd's. this is even more far out then those people who say demons can come through portals in rock music covers, isnt it time people take responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming lucky charms?

Well, that is 1 problem of traditional Christianity, that Oneness and Binitarian/Trinitarians all agree with, and that is traditional Christianity or Church does preach on scape goating rather than accepting personal responsibility. "The Devil made me do it" is an ancient excuse, but as Scripture says, it won't hold water with God.

I agree, but if you think it's going to change, it's not. The words of Christ has been thrown to the garbage in exchange for man becoming God yet again! I'm in agreement with Wizard here.

EDIT: Here's the article that I and Wizard are speaking of:

http://www.justgivemetruth.com/viewtopic.php?t=285

2nd post.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:18 am

I feel just ignored here Razz
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:14 am

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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:31 am

I wonder what the Apostle Peter would have to say if he could speak on this.

Would he agree with Steve, or would he call him to repent?
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