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PostSubject: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:44 pm

A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine right if they are going to avoid being tricked into working for the devil.
The devil deceives many talented souls into working for him while they think they are working for God.

In this hour there are many opposing theories by many sincere, honest seekers regarding the identity of God, but The Word of God is forever settled in Heaven.

Some say that God is somehow three separate persons in a trinity but we need to prayerfully consider the first of all the commandments.

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

I know that there are many verses that many good people think teach separate persons in a "god squad" as it were, but we need to regard scripture in light of scripture. We need to respect Jesus in his statement regarding the first of all the commandments.

The identity of the God or gods being worshiped is not some side issue but is of foundational importance to your soul.

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.
Deuteronomy 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

One key to understanding the identity of God is to understand the simple concepts of flesh and spirit.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Though we humans (created in God's image) have body, soul and spirit we are not each "three separate persons". Though God manifested Himself as "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" he is not "three separate persons". When society finds someone who is three separate persons do they not lock them up or medicate them (for their protection and protection of society). God is NOT three separate persons!

Allow me to submit to you some foundational truths that I will document from scripture and then use to make my point.

1) God is a Spirit.

John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

2) God is holy.

I Samuel 2:2 [There is] none holy as the LORD: for [there is] none beside thee: neither [is there] any rock like our God.

3) God is a "Holy Spirit".

4) Jesus is the "Spirit of truth"

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

5) Jesus was "dwelling with them" and promised to be "in them".

John 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

6) The "comforter" is the "Spirit of Christ"

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

7) The "Spirit of Christ" is the "Holy Spirit" is the "Spirit of Truth"

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the
Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

8) The Spirit of God visited His creation robed in flesh as the "Son".

I Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

9) The fullness of God is in Jesus Christ

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

10) Jesus IS the "everlasting Father".

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

11) Those who believe that Jesus is a "separate person" from the "Father" don't really know Jesus at all.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

We know that Peter was given the keys to the kingdom.

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Peter used those keys from Jesus to unlock the kingdom of heaven. I really believe that those who think they can reject Peter without rejecting Jesus are not being honest with themselves or others.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Three thousand people baptised in Jesus Name hundreds of years before the trinity baptism was even invented by polytheists.

Is not the safe path the Bible path?

Jeremiah 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Psalms 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

I hope this helps...

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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:08 pm

are you done yet?

you apparently dont even understand the trinity.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:32 pm

wizardovmetal wrote:
are you done yet?

you apparently dont even understand the trinity.

No, I understand the trinity real well and it is right out of the pits of hell polytheism! I have several beloved relatives who went to hell for believing that garbage.

Ignorance is stupid, "wizard". There will be a lot of fools in hell because of their ignorance and pride.

The protestants worship the same three headed idol from Rome that the Catholics do. All trinitarians are daughters of the RCC.

The false church is following a manmade teaching. They have to go to "denominal opinions of men" that originated in the 2nd and 3rd century to explain and discuss their beliefs. It is also interesting that the same bunch at Rome that dreamed up the trinity, also ushered in the dark ages by killing people for possessing Bibles. It is important to realize that the Catholic Church is the "Great Whore" in the book of Rev. and the "mother of harlots" (the harlots being the denominations that retain the trinity heresy). The harlot wants relationship with man, but will not "take the man's name" and will not forsake her worldly loves for her husband. Just as the harlot churches will not use Jesus name in baptism, and will not forsake the sins of the world.

Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Here I will show some of the apostles writing that exposes certain of the false doctrines taught by the harlot churches.:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The harlot trinity churches use the titles of their 3 gods if they even baptise at all. They ignore Matt 28:19 in which Jesus said to use a "name," and they just "parrot" the command instead of obeying it.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be
preached in his NAME among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

The harlot trinity church doesn't believe that the fulness is in Jesus, they don't believe that "ye are complete in him", they teach the tradition of men from the 2nd and 3rd century.

Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in HIM, which is the head of all principality and power: Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Also Acts 8:16, 10:48, 10:43, 19:5, Col 3:17

Also here are some historical references showing where tradition
replaced apostolic truth.:

ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA, 11th Ed. Vol. 3 Page 365-366, "The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Ghost by the Catholic Church in the 2nd Century." Vol. 3 Page 82 "Everywhere in the oldest sources it states that baptism took place in the Name of Jesus Christ."

CANNEY ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION, Page 53 -- "The early church always baptized in the Name of Lord Jesus until the development of the trinity doctrine in the 2nd Century."

HASTINGS ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION, Vol. 2 pages 377-378-389, "The
Christian baptism was administered using the Name of Jesus. The use of the trinitarian formula of any sort was not suggested in the early church history, baptism was always in the Name of the Lord Jesus, until the time of Justin Martyr when the trinity formula was used." Hastings also said in Vol. 2 Page 377, commenting on Acts 2:38, "NAME was an ancient synonym for person. Payment was always made in the name of some person referring to ownership. Therefore one being baptized in Jesus Name became his personal property." "Ye are Christ's." I Cor. 3:23.

NEW INTERNATIONAL ENCYCLOPEDIA, Vol. 22 Page 477, "The term "trinity" was originated by Tertullain, Roman Catholic Church father."

TYNDALE NEW TESTAMENT COMMENTARIES: "... the true explanation why the early church did not at once administer baptism in the threefold name is that the words of Mat 28:19 were not meant as a baptismal formula. [Jesus] was not giving instructions about the actual words to be used in the service of baptism, but, as has already been suggested, was indicating that the baptized person would by baptism pass into the possession of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost."

THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION AND ETHICS, James Hastings, p.384, "there is no evidence [in early church history] for the use of the triune name."

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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:53 pm

Psa 82:6 I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.
Psa 82:7 "Nevertheless you will die like men And fall like any one of the princes."

God does have gods around him. HE has power over them to kill them like men.

You deny both the Father and the Son as two distinct beings, and John says that is ANTICHRIST:

1Jn 2:18 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.
1Jn 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.
1Jn 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

You deny the Father and Christ, you teach and want us to deny the two Deities, and to do so would make us ANTICHRIST. You are teaching a doctrine that is clearly against the bible and you are using the bible to create your own distortion. You sir are ANTICHRIST, according to the words of John.

Oneness Theology is ANTICHRIST, because you either deny the Father or you deny Christ. Thus, you are a deceiver and an ANTICHRIST.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:05 pm

Ah, the joys of Religiousness.

WInterband.. are you a member of Reverend Phelps Church?
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:12 pm

i dont get opinions from the denominations of men, i go on the bible and the bible alone, in fact im one who has renounced many idiotic beleifs and been pretty rough about things with people, ask anyone on this board and im sure they will tell you i have been quite a pain in the butt about religious views, especially with catholics and calvanists. now it is your turn. i 100% agree with LV on most of what he says and he is correct you are being ANTI-CHRIST

the bible clearly states, god is manifested through his spirit, through flesh which was christ, and through himself obviously christ was a manifestation of god through flesh. i do not worship three gods.

you still have yet to answer me, do you beleive christ is just christ and there is no god? do you not beleive god has a spirit which he bestows upon us? they are not three entirley different entities, but manifestations. christ told us to pray to the father, which is god, you seem to forget there is a father for some reason.

"No, I understand the trinity real well and it is right out of the pits of hell polytheism! I have several beloved relatives who went to hell for believing that garbage."

i hope you know you will be judged based upon how you judge others if you have one small problem with your theology, you better get it fixed or stop judging others, i am not saying we should not correct people, but saying they went to hell? thats not up to you to decide. i will acknowledge there is alot of goofy crap in todays church, but unfortunatley for you i am going to have to add your beleifs to this list of crap.

let me ask you winter do you beleive in a rapture?

secondly i think its time you explain who "the father" jesus talked about is because according to you there is no father.

also according to your beleifs you are not a spirit born son of the living god, which would obviously be a problem because you deny there is a father.


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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:27 pm

Winter is: If it is not from his own KJV ONLY beliefs, it does not exist and therefore, wrong!

The belief of the Catholic Church being the "Whore" has been reputed by most Christians, with the exceptions of the KJV ONLY group and other fringe groups. They need an enemy and the Catholic Church is their enemy.

They want to see and have to see that Catholic Church as the "Whore" because if the Catholic Church is still recognized by God as a legit Church that houses Christians, then by logic their movement is wrong. So the Catholic Church must be wrong and they must be right.

They intentionally create an either/or argument, because it is easier for them to demonize everyone else, while "angelizing" themselves as the "Persecuted hero's".

They have to condemn everyone to hell, because their god has no grace, no forgiveness for people who disagree with it. Therefore, their people must be just as hell-bent (!) to condemn everyone to hell.

As I have said, If God can not forgive people for mistakes, than he is not God and we need not worry. There god can not forgive, and it is not god and we need not to worry about such a deity.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:43 pm

the pope looks like lord sidious from starwars Very Happy but they are not the whore, the false prophet, the beast, etc. if they are wrong god will correct them. this is why christ came in the first place is because we are unable to save ourselves. i firmly beleive there are three important things above all else, 1. repentance, 2. faith in god and in christ and his salvation and 3. true heartfelt love for god. christ said the most important commandment was love the lord your god, second love your neighbor, winter is certainly not loving his neighbor right now, he is condemning us to hell, which is not his place to do. if you do those two things you cannot be transgressing god. and if you love god truly his spirit will correct you when your wrong, this happens to me all of the time so i need not worry about this person saying this or that, god will and does guide me. i also have a direct way of asking god questions through a friend who has the gift of communicating verbally with him. two interesting things that dispell alot of myths i have asked is one, god told her the bible has some errors in it, but it is mostly correctly translated and the important part is ther, two man was given the ability to fall for a reason, we must learn from our mistakes in order to become the final creation god wants us to be, funny thing is i opposed people who said the fall was part of his plan because i thought it was retarded, so did my friend, but i asked none the less, we have all heard what we want to hear, but it isnt always the truth.


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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:48 pm

“For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he
was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.” [John 5:18]

Heb 1:8 But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

Rev 4:2 Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne was standing in heaven, and One sitting on the throne.
Rev 4:9 And when the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, to Him who lives forever and ever,
Rev 4:11 "Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created."
Rev 5:1 I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a book written inside and on the back, sealed up with seven seals.

Rev 5:5 and one of the elders *said to me, "Stop weeping; behold, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to open the book and its seven seals."
Rev 5:6 And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth.
Rev 5:7 And He came and took the book out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.
Rev 5:8 When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
Rev 5:9 And they *sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
Rev 5:12 saying with a loud voice, "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing."
Rev 5:13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."


These verse clearly show that the LAMB and the ONE are two different beings, for the LAMB takes the scroll out of the hand of the ONE. Both are given praise as God, both are worshiped as God. This shows they are two beings.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:51 pm

http://www.eadshome.com/mm/Oneness%20Pentecostalism.pdf

This is a good article refuting oneness, it shows that Oneness is a heresy and what it is called and how to refute it.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:54 pm

what i was saying is they arent "seperate gods"
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:24 pm

Quote :
"The early church always baptized in the Name of Lord Jesus until the development of the trinity doctrine in the 2nd Century."

2nd Century = 100 A.D. Some of the apostles were still very much alive then.

The ground under you is getting thinner Winterband; you need to have your facts straight.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:32 pm

Logs into blabberjesus. See’s title of thread: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil

Goes into the thread and notices who wrote the article: Winterband

Reads His’ and everyone else’s posts. Now I’m here replying with this quote from Winterband:


winterband wrote:
A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine right if they are going to avoid being tricked into working for the devil.
The devil deceives many talented souls into working for him while they think they are working for God.

In this hour there are many opposing theories by many sincere, honest seekers regarding the identity of God, but The Word of God is forever settled in Heaven.

100 % Truth here! So what that means is, start taking your own advice and fix your beliefs hypocrite. It’s hard to have a debate when you really are speaking about yourself false-Christian Oneness believer!

Until you grow some maturity here and start actually discussing Oneness vs. Trinity with us (don’t worry, we don’t bite if you actually take the time to converse with us instead of condemning us), I’m simply going to be mimicking you from now on. So, repent Devil-Worshipper!
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:49 pm

Death over Life wrote:
Logs into blabberjesus. See’s title of thread: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil

Goes into the thread and notices who wrote the article: Winterband

Same here. Thanks for saving me the need to scroll-up. Steve's been addressed on many occasions, by many people, and it's getting more than a little tiring. I'm invoking Romans 16:17 for now...

Romans 16:17 (NASB) wrote:
Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:01 pm

If Christ were walking aroung today. he would not measure up to winterband's stnadards of a true Christian.. ironically.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:48 pm

Peace time,
I hear much "Christian Contemporary Music"

Where the Vocals are so deep Bass and Mysterious
that no man but a few, can understand what is
being Preached. Perhaps the Singer of such Music
would be even less understood in a live concert.
This style of delivery has roots in the 80s where
the Lyrics sheet was present in the package.
So the fan could read and listen to headphones
at the same time. Thus, study the story of the song
and the accompaniment of new musical styles.
I listen to some of these bands from time to time
also, as a form of intrest in the new Christian sounds.
However, I sing and preach in order to be understood
as a good Christian and a Monk.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:05 pm

oh wow e speaks in non-quatrains!
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:09 pm

Kamerad Ash wrote:
If Christ were walking aroung today. he would not measure up to winterband's stnadards of a true Christian.. ironically.

-impersonates winterband- a true jesus needs to acknowledge he is god and there is no father or spirit.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:46 pm

Are Vigilance Saints Arise and winterband the same person?
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:02 pm

wizardovmetal wrote:
Kamerad Ash wrote:
If Christ were walking aroung today. he would not measure up to winterband's stnadards of a true Christian.. ironically.

-impersonates winterband- a true jesus needs to acknowledge he is god and there is no father or spirit.
if what winterband says is true, than Jesus would have gone to Hell, because Jesus acknowledge that he was under his father and acknowledged the holy spirit

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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:18 pm

I guess Jesus was talking to Himself when he said "Father , forgive them, for they k now not what they do".
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:38 pm

And I also guess Isaiah 53:10 is an absolute lie.

Steve doesn't realize this, but he is in a catch-22. According to his theology, there are only two possible outcomes.

1) Those holding to Oneness Pentecostal beliefs at the time of judgment will be damned.
2) We are all GUARANTEED to go to Hell.

Either way, Oneness Pentecostals are completely screwed if they don't repent of their transgressions.
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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:39 pm

Ash, maybe Jesus was schizophrenic

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PostSubject: Re: A Christian musician needs to have their doctrine correct to withstand the devil   Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:19 am

[sidenote] Schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder are not the same thing.

@ the title of this thread: correct doctrine is not all that is needed to withstand the devil; humility before God is the most important thing.

Our poor brother Winter seems to have fallen prey to trying to rationalise the Mystery of the Trinity (one God, one Divine Essence, in three Persons, distinct, yet undivided) and, having failed to do so, rejected it for a more comprehensible conception of God.

And Winter...there's no way the RCC could have done anything in the second century A. D., because at that time there was only the one Church (now known as the Orthodox Church, from which the Bishop of Rome finally split in 1054 A. D.).
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