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PostSubject: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:42 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/13/haiti.pat.robertson/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn

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Pat Robertson, the evangelical Christian who once suggested God was punishing Americans with Hurricane Katrina, says a "pact to the devil" brought on the devastating earthquake in Haiti.
Officials fear more than 100,000 people have died as a result of Tuesday's 7.0-magnitude earthquake in Haiti.
Robertson, the host of the "700 Club," blamed the tragedy on something that "happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it."
The Haitians "were under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon III and whatever," Robertson said on his broadcast Wednesday. "And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the French.' True story. And so, the devil said, 'OK, it's a deal.' "
Native Haitians defeated French colonists in 1804 and declared independence.
"You know, the Haitians revolted and got themselves free. But ever since, they have been cursed by one thing after the other." Robertson has previously linked natural disasters and terrorist attacks to legalized abortion in the United States. Soon after Hurricane Katrina ravaged the Gulf Coast, killing more than 1,800 and wreaking unprecedented devastation on New Orleans, Louisiana, Robertson weighed in with his own theory.
"We have killed over 40 million unborn babies in America," Robertson said on his September 12, 2005, broadcast of "700 Club."
"I was reading, yesterday, a book that was very interesting about what God has to say in the Old Testament about those who shed innocent blood. And he [the author] used the term that those who do this, 'the land will vomit you out.' ... But have we found we are unable somehow to defend ourselves against some of the attacks that are coming against us, either by terrorists or now by natural disaster? Could they be connected in some way?"
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:52 pm

Classic Pat Robertson antics right there.
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:54 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:06 pm

Pat Robertson is a douchebag. Enough said.

He loves to suck on his foot too, since he says so many stupid things so often.
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:33 pm

Pat doesn't know when to just keep his mouth shut. Everytime he opens it, it's a disaster.
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:36 pm

Sword of the Heretic wrote:
Pat doesn't know when to just keep his mouth shut. Everytime he opens it, it's a disaster.

Agreed. Though in my book, the fact that he exists is a disaster.
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:11 pm

Classic Robertson.
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:41 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:00 am

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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:01 am

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Pat Robertson is a douchebag. Enough said.

He loves to suck on his foot too, since he says so many stupid things so often.

LOL, you trumped me, Broc. When I saw the thread title, my first thought was, "Pat Robertson is a tool." Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:05 am

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eternalmystery wrote:
Pat Robertson is a douchebag. Enough said.

He loves to suck on his foot too, since he says so many stupid things so often.

LOL, you trumped me, Broc. When I saw the thread title, my first thought was, "Pat Robertson is a tool." Laughing

LOL

By the way, the song "Open Mouth - Insert Foot" from the Eternal Mystery EP "This Means War", is about Pat Robertson. And yes, my first post in this thread did contain some lyrics from that song. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:55 am

It is ridiculous for anyone to link these kinds of things together for specific events with such certainty. However, that last paragraph is not ridiculous as I believe the effect of our sins is not limited to one's individual body.
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:16 am

Ah I think it was insensitive and unkind to say what he did.

Although I do believe God is in control of the weather... I think Pat needs to have grace and pray for people rather than curse them more with his words.
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:38 am

earthquakes aren't weather...

OK...I am being nitpicky...and yeah...I suppose God controls earthquakes, too.


I think Pat Robertson is a bit off in his old age...and honestly, I feel sorry for the guy.
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:46 pm

Nice to see Pat showing God's love Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:05 pm

eternalmystery wrote:
Pat Robertson is a douchebag. Enough said.

He loves to suck on his foot too, since he says so many stupid things so often.

This. Grim Banger
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:22 pm

CNN wrote:

Pat Robertson, the evangelical Christian who once suggested God was punishing Americans with Hurricane Katrina, says a "pact to the devil" brought on the devastating earthquake in Haiti.
Officials fear more than 100,000 people have died as a result of Tuesday's 7.0-magnitude earthquake in Haiti.
Robertson, the host of the "700 Club," blamed the tragedy on something that "happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it."
The Haitians "were under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon III and whatever," Robertson said on his broadcast Wednesday. "And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the French.' True story. And so, the devil said, 'OK, it's a deal.' "
Native Haitians defeated French colonists in 1804 and declared independence.
"You know, the Haitians revolted and got themselves free. But ever since, they have been cursed by one thing after the other." Robertson has previously linked natural disasters and terrorist attacks to legalized abortion in the United States. Soon after Hurricane Katrina ravaged the Gulf Coast, killing more than 1,800 and wreaking unprecedented devastation on New Orleans, Louisiana, Robertson weighed in with his own theory.
"We have killed over 40 million unborn babies in America," Robertson said on his September 12, 2005, broadcast of "700 Club."
"I was reading, yesterday, a book that was very interesting about what God has to say in the Old Testament about those who shed innocent blood. And he [the author] used the term that those who do this, 'the land will vomit you out.' ... But have we found we are unable somehow to defend ourselves against some of the attacks that are coming against us, either by terrorists or now by natural disaster? Could they be connected in some way?"

He needs to support this point of view from scripture. He seems to be implying that bad things happen to bad people as a response to bad things they've done, as opposed to good God fearing folk. I disagree - this sounds like the theology that Job's friends tried to give him: bad things have happened to you, therefore you must have committed some sin to bring that about. That was a stupid thing to say and shows, I think, a shallow understanding of sin and of God relative to us morally speaking.

I don't think natural disasters are usually a specific punishment from God for a people making pacts with the devil or so on. Adam and Eve did that at the start, and the whole world has been under a curse ever since. That's just how things go in a fallen world.

Besides, there was an incident with the Tower of Shiloam in Jesus day. From Wikipedia: "In the Gospel of Luke, Jesus mentioned the tragedy when he was told about some Galilean insurgents who were killed by the Romans. Those who told Jesus this may have expected him to say that their deaths were punishment for their rebellious and belligerent behavior. Yet, in mentioning the collapse of the tower of Siloam, Jesus taught that death can come upon anyone, regardless of how sinful they are. He went on to teach that the need for all people to repent is the true lesson from such tragedies." The story is in Luke 13.

I think Pat Robertson was wrong to say what he said, and start bringing up stories of Haitians making pacts to the devil hundreds of years ago.
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:53 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:49 pm

Al Mohler's comments on the situation. No direct reference to Robertson by name, but it'd be hard to read without being convicted:

Link: http://www.albertmohler.com/2010/01/14/does-god-hate-haiti/

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Does God hate Haiti? That is the conclusion reached by many, who point to the earthquake as a sign of God’s direct and observable judgment.

God does judge the nations — all of them — and God will judge the nations. His judgment is perfect and his justice is sure. He rules over all the nations and his sovereign will is demonstrated in the rising and falling of nations and empires and peoples. Every molecule of matter obeys his command, and the earthquakes reveal his reign — as do the tides of relief and assistance flowing into Haiti right now.

A faithful Christian cannot accept the claim that God is a bystander in world events. The Bible clearly claims the sovereign rule of God over all his creation, all of the time. We have no right to claim that God was surprised by the earthquake in Haiti, or to allow that God could not have prevented it from happening.

God’s rule over creation involves both direct and indirect acts, but his rule is constant. The universe, even after the consequences of the Fall, still demonstrates the character of God in all its dimensions, objects, and occurrences. And yet, we have no right to claim that we know why a disaster like the earthquake in Haiti happened at just that place and at just that moment.

The arrogance of human presumption is a real and present danger. We can trace the effects of a drunk driver to a car accident, but we cannot trace the effects of voodoo to an earthquake — at least not so directly. Will God judge Haiti for its spiritual darkness? Of course. Is the judgment of God something we can claim to understand in this sense — in the present? No, we are not given that knowledge. Jesus himself warned his disciples against this kind of presumption.

Why did no earthquake shake Nazi Germany? Why did no tsunami swallow up the killing fields of Cambodia? Why did Hurricane Katrina destroy far more evangelical churches than casinos? Why do so many murderous dictators live to old age while many missionaries die young?

Does God hate Haiti? God hates sin, and will punish both individual sinners and nations. But that means that every individual and every nation will be found guilty when measured by the standard of God’s perfect righteousness. God does hate sin, but if God merely hated Haiti, there would be no missionaries there; there would be no aid streaming to the nation; there would be no rescue efforts — there would be no hope.

The earthquake in Haiti, like every other earthly disaster, reminds us that creation groans under the weight of sin and the judgment of God. This is true for every cell in our bodies, even as it is for the crust of the earth at every point on the globe. The entire cosmos awaits the revelation of the glory of the coming Lord. Creation cries out for the hope of the New Creation.

In other words, the earthquake reminds us that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only real message of hope. The cross of Christ declares that Jesus loves Haiti — and the Haitian people are the objects of his love. Christ would have us show the Haitian nation his love, and share his Gospel. In the midst of this unspeakable tragedy, Christ would have us rush to aid the suffering people of Haiti, and rush to tell the Haitian people of his love, his cross, and salvation in his name alone.

Everything about the tragedy in Haiti points to our need for redemption. This tragedy may lead to a new openness to the Gospel among the Haitian people. That will be to the glory of God. In the meantime, Christ’s people must do everything we can to alleviate the suffering, bind up the wounded, and comfort the grieving. If Christ’s people are called to do this, how can we say that God hates Haiti?

If you have any doubts about this, take your Bible and turn to John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. That is God’s message to Haiti.
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:35 pm

thanks Pat, for your humanitarian aid
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:06 pm

Such a statement reeks of Conceit and Pride.
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:25 pm

good thing his pal Falwell isn't here to double the preposterousness
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:49 pm

this guy is stupid, where is the proof haiti made a pact with "the devil"?
and secondly, depending on who you talk to, america is run by "satan" i know alot of christians will say this and say they always have been but this is the most prosperous nation in the world so yea, sure, ok.

the fact is reality is reality, people need to stop blaming the worlds problems and natural disasters on religion, i would think by now we are advanced enough and logically mature enough in this scientific age to stop being so barbaric.
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:28 pm

Let's just decapitate this scumbag pagan and broadcast it on pay-per-view gooby
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PostSubject: Re: Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for 'pact to the devil'   Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:17 pm

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Let's just decapitate this scumbag pagan and broadcast it on pay-per-view gooby

I will do the recording, and will also send it off to be pressed on DVD and Blu-Ray. cheers

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