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PostSubject: Re: Man dies and see's heaven and hell   Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:40 pm

That is a straw man Ash.

I am not talking about that, I am talking about the many many many cases in which people claim have experienced death and heaven and the way many people, such as you, just accept it as face value without any amount of healthy skepticism.


Christ was both fully man, and fully God, and the laws of nature didn't necesarily apply to him. But nowhere was I even TALKING ABOUT THAT.

You have a nasty habit of twisting my (or anybody who disagree's with you) arguments. Stop doing that, it is rather annoying.
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PostSubject: Re: Man dies and see's heaven and hell   Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:44 pm

I believe God still performs miracles. Maybe you don't?


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PostSubject: Re: Man dies and see's heaven and hell   Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:46 pm

Kamerad Ash wrote:
I believe God still performs miracles. Maybe you don't?


"Imgination is more important the knowledge"- Albert Einstein.

Again. You twist my position. I do believe in miracles. I also believe there those out there who would like to take advantage of my religious beliefs. Maybe like you?
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PostSubject: Re: Man dies and see's heaven and hell   Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:06 pm

So you believe in miracles, but just not in the possibility of God bringing someone back into their body after they had left it momentarily?

If you don't want tot believe in this story that is fine.. skepticism is a healthy thing.. to a certain extent.

With what I have experienced of ineffable spiritual experience and of God... I am convinced this fellow tells the truth. Especially since nothing he describes contradicts scripture... and because the message he give from it is not one of fear or of condemnation, but of forgiveness, sacrifice and redemption. That is Christ's message.
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PostSubject: Re: Man dies and see's heaven and hell   Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:20 pm

Kamerad Ash wrote:
So you believe in miracles, but just not in the possibility of God bringing someone back into their body after they had left it momentarily?

Arguing with you is an exercise in futility because no matter what you either a) can't help twisting my argument to mean something I didn't mean because you are just because what I say doesn't quite register with you or B) you do understand my argument, but don't want to concede the point therefore all you can do is twist my position into something a little more comfortable for you.

So here is my position loud and clear for you and everybody to see:

MIRACLES DON'T "JUST" HAPPEN. THEY DO HAPPEN, BUT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THEY'RE TRICKSTERS PREYING UPON THE IGNORANTS BELIEF A-LA BENNY HINN.

And no Ash, I believe God can do anything, but I don't believe people just die and come back like that willy nilly. And I am not discounting this man's experience, I am saying you need to be more cautious about what you are told. Logic is good up to a point, but you don't just pause your logical processes simply to suit your kodak moments.
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PostSubject: Re: Man dies and see's heaven and hell   Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:29 pm

Sounds like someone had a bad new years.

here have a cookie.. might cheer you up..

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PostSubject: Re: Man dies and see's heaven and hell   Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:13 pm

Nope. Had dinner with the grandparents. But I would go for some cookies.
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PostSubject: Re: Man dies and see's heaven and hell   Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:55 am

mmmmmm...cookies drool
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PostSubject: Re: Man dies and see's heaven and hell   Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:32 am

This guy is from New Zealand, which is where I live. He came and spoke at my church. I wasn't too impressed, to be honest.
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PostSubject: Re: Man dies and see's heaven and hell   Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:20 am

Ash that is so sweet of you!!! by the way who's that chick in the avatar? A bit too skinny for me but she looks way sexy freaky What a Face
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